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 Post subject: Re: The Desolation of Smaug release thread
PostPosted: Tue Dec 03, 2013 8:47 pm 
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Can we just call them Barrels? [the other] is a pretty terrible acronym.

Terrible, but also extremely amusing... :rofl:

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Yep, going to have to ask that we change that acronym. BOB or BB might not be as amusing to some, but is less offensive.
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Yes agree Whafrog, didn't mean anything intentional on my posting.

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Offensive is pushing it a bit - who on earth is it offending?

My mind is blown

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Awww.
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I wouldn't call it offensive, just a bad name.

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I thought it was another of those british sayings which is benign in the States. Like, when you hurt your knee… :D

In any case, the thought occurred to me that perhaps the BoB sculpts were originally intended for a new plastic boxed set which was decided against, but they produced the minis in fine cast anyway. Seems like a strange design decision to make a £40 boxed set which is only usable in one or two scenarios in the book.

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Other than being an anatomical term, it is benign in the US. As an aside, 'boob tube' is slang for tv, and Blue Footed Boobies are a type of bird. Heck, I remember someone of He-Man calling someone a -redacted-, and that's with 80's children's tv programming censorship.

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Yeah, it's not "up there" in severity, and perhaps isn't a problem. I'm still awaiting a final opinion from the others. In the meantime...
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Being English I have no idea what all the fuss is. I do however see that others may get confused by what under normal circumstances be a somewhat un notable and possibly confusing acronym as it is unlikely to get much use, unlike LOTR or SBG.
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So the word from on-high is the acronym-that-shall-not-be-named probably isn't appropriate for an all-ages website. For the English, well, you'll just have to figure it out...
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But don't google the acronym.

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Oh, I miss read the acronym as BOB! Whoops. Hardly shocking, but now I can see why the acronym has its knockers!
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whafrog wrote:
So the word from on-high is the acronym-that-shall-not-be-named probably isn't appropriate for an all-ages website. For the English, well, you'll just have to figure it out...

Though funnily enough, those of all ages who play games workshop games are able to go out and get a "Nob" to lead their 40k orks :D

They can buy the following model from GW too:

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whafrog wrote:
So the word from on-high is the acronym-that-shall-not-be-named probably isn't appropriate for an all-ages website.

Hmm, as a biologist, I was always under the impression that [insert acronym here] was in fact intended for the young (while providing ample opportunities for fun for the more mature). :roll:
It would not have been a problem if the kit was called 'Thorin's Opportunistic Escape', would it? While a younger audience may be present, does that mean we can't be mature about it?
Or should the number eight-thousand-and-eight be banned, as well the entire nomenclature of the Paridae family of birds?
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For goodness sake the decision has been made guys.. move on.

@Hill Troll - Why blatantly disregard my post and continue to fuel the conversation. The admins have decided that it is inappropriate. End of discussion. Future posts in relation to this will simply be deleted. Spamming a perfectly good thread up with a completely pointless argument thats outcome cannot be changed.

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PostPosted: Wed Dec 04, 2013 10:08 pm 
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Few info bout the rules:

Few info bout the rules:
- Thranudil - stays the same - just base cost is 16 Moria Gobo with shield and he can buy armour and bow
- Tauriel - stats seems to be the same as Lego in armour, but she has Aragorns attack value, elven coat, bow and special rule that gives her +1A for each enemy she's fightin with(my guess that with each in base contact but thats just info), cost 19 Moria gobowith shield
- Guard Captain - stats as HE cap for 15 Moria Gobo with shields. If he's in 3" from Thranduil he get's +1F. Also bodyguard.
- Ranger Cap - cost the same as above, stats as WE cap, seems to have bow and TW, the same rule as Tauriel but only 3 attack(dunno if only +3, or total max 3)
- Palace Guard - cost the same Ghaladrim pics - stats as HE and the same special rule as their cap
- Ranger - the same cost as erebor with shield, and the same rule as their cap, dunno whats their eqipment.
Special rules of the Mirkwood AL - if the Lider is Thranduil, Lego or Tauriel then can have 100% bows
- Beorn - Dwalin stats but Dale Man with shield defence value and Glorf like M/W/F. He's resistant to magic, burly and fearless and woodland creature. Costs as Gulavhar. He can change into bear on 4+ in his move(model is on 60mm base and seems to be nice - pic in book). In bear form the same Wounds and M/W/F, the same special rules + terror, but rest of stats change into Threebeards. Elf Gero Courage value and Move 8"(as a bear). In this bear form he dosn't have SF, and his heroics are only his. Has special BPA - when he wins he can strike with S10 - if it wound's(enemy won't fury/fate it) he cas strike again with S10 and so on. Radagast Alliance AL.
- Thrain the broken - cost as WE with bow and spear - low stats - F dwarf like, S Hobbit like, C Orc Captain like and on every start of turn he's to pass C test. If he pass it it's ok, if he pass it twice(dunno I just translate from polish) he's got +2 to A,S,F values, but if he fails he acts like a enemy model.
- Bard - cost as full no-name nazgul on horse - stats simillar to Lego(my source don't remeber fully) and he's got a great bow. If he shoot and kill he can shoot again to the target in 3" from the last one - up to three times. Black arrow - ones a game - can reroll to hit, ITW and to wound.
- Dale hero that hac +1 on wounding flaying monster(my guess Girion)
- some lake town hero who costs 4 MG with shield that has Aragons Will value wills - for each will he can regive some hero(dunno the radius) might - on 6 k3 mights, 2-6 one might point, 1 nth
- some new Dale(laketown?) troops
- Yaznag - seems to have bad stat line - he's 10 Gobo with shield, can have lance. He's special rule - if there is Azog in the same army, then the pale orc can kill yaznag and pass all C tests, and him and rest of heros can rerolls missed to wound rolls.
- Gundabad Orcs(pic are supposed to be in book) - cost as erebor with shield, have S4, can buy pic and shiels(dunno if in combination). Special rule the same as Blackshield gobo
- Spiders - cost as 5 Gobo with shield - F as gobo, S and D as Dale man with shield D value and Elf Cap A value. Not a monster, can split poison(dunno how that works) on 4+. The warband doesn't have to contain a hero(don;t know if there is any)
[edited: this great post has too many direct stat references. I've PM'd you so you can clean it up and repost. Also saved a copy in case something goes awry.]

Seems to be legit source but ya know how that works.


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Where are you getting these stats from? Have GW released another pdf document with all of these rules?

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YES!!! :D Bard is in with some other Laketowners, so I guess also laketown troops (or they might be the same as dale warriors)

Thanks a lot Kevin from Mitril you made my suffering to wait for Saturday less painfull, now I definitely going to sit in front of my local GW to get it. :twisted:

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PostPosted: Wed Dec 04, 2013 10:25 pm 
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Wow! What unexpected news! Thanks for the update, certainly sounds legit and fluffy. Nice to see that bear Beorn, Gundabads, Bard (so presumably men of the lake) and Dale heroes are coming, bodes well for future releases.

I'll reserve judgement on the rules until I've read them in full but first thoughts are very happy, I was really hoping that Beorn could transform mid-game so that's awesome. Being in Radagast's Alliance is cool, I'll have Beorn bringing along a couple of eagles in the near future I reckon!

Tauriel's rule sounds cool, hopefully she'll be quite the combat-beast. 100% bows for Mirkwood sounds terrifying though (or maybe not so as I'm planning on starting a Mirkwood force!) as they presumably hit on 2+ (as Mirkwood Guard used to).

Bard sounds cool, like his rule a lot, makes it more useful than just a 'Dragon-slayer' rule.

Yazneg sounds like he could be handy to have around for Azog - nice and fluffy rule.

The spiders seem underpowered to me, they're pretty much the same as current ones but on larger bases so easier to swarm. Very surprising to see they're not monsters.

Any news on if the Necromancer or Smaug are in there?

All good juicy stuff to discuss though, thanks again!

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