I was making several lists for my dwarf army, and i was wondering if anyone could give me some advise on at what points i can use 2 kings champions? Like on 1000 or less already or..

I don't play dwarves but have always viewed a Kings champion like a Mordor Troll chieften (powerful monster with might). I personally wouldn't take 2 until around the 1500 -2000 points range but there is no reason you couldn't take 2 at a 1000 points along as you use them to the best of their ability and make sure you pick your charges to maximise your damage (you might want to take the Blessing of Galadriel fortune (+D3 might) and give it to one of them so they can make the most of there epic actions). I would never take 2 at a points level any lower than that though.

I wouldn't take even just 1 up till 1500, with two you should wait till 2000pts IMO, or you'll loose so many basic warriors that you are swarmed by virtually anything (except Elves)

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Tnx for the good advise very usefull.

Also my mates play with high/wood elves and 1 with rohan and galadhrim so wont be outnumberd haha

Tnx!

I played against a Dwarf Player who had 2 Kings Champions and The 3 Hunters at 2,000pts, so I don't think 1,500pts is too few pts to use 2 Champions, so long as you don't use a 3rd monster.

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@ Lays: poor them. Although if everyone plays the overcosted armies, of course they are no longer overcosted.

@ Gothmog: Of course it can be done if you want to, but I'd say saving the points for some damage-soakers instead of damage-dealers would be a far better idea.

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Generally, the core of the army is damage-soakers, and if you plan it well, you can still have several powerful damage dealers, you just need to know what you're doing and how to do it. And avoid overpowered armies.

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-FSM.

Yup, and I'm afraid that with two King's Champions (and some other nice stuff), you won't have enough core left.

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"... Telchar wrought it in the deeps of time."
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hmm i think i gonna use 2 at 1500+ when playing against elves.. continuing with my list..

Could you show it to us when you're finished? I'd like to see what the rest of the army consists of.

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"... Telchar wrought it in the deeps of time."
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Bit busy with study atm.. I will when i am done!

Bit these are all dwarfs i have:

88 warriors, 11 companies
44 bowmen 5 companies
48 rangers 6 companies
48 khazad guard, 6 companies
10 iron guard, 1 companie
18 vault warden 2 companies
2 (3) ballista
2 kings champion

1875

8 captains (4 of them are kings)
50x8=400

5 banners
35x5=175

2 shieldbearers
25x2=50

1 hornblower
15x1=15

635+1875

And all heroes ofc, durin mardin murin drar, floi balin dain gimli

I just love dwarfs hehe

2510

and all heroes ofc..

I feel I'm flying into a fit of jealousy at the moment.

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"... Telchar wrought it in the deeps of time."
-On Andùril, The Lord of the Rings

I wouldn't advice you bother with the Captains and Banner, but you certainly have a lot of Dwarves, especially Khazad Guard, though I recommend you get another 2 companies of them so you can have 2 formations of 4 companies, a true Bane.

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-FSM.

That with 2 KC's?

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"... Telchar wrought it in the deeps of time."
-On Andùril, The Lord of the Rings

At 2,000pt, you could do it.

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"I am the Flying Spagetti Monster. Thou shall have no other monsters before me"
-FSM.

Yes, but it was about 1000-1500 pts, wasn't it. And even then, I wouldn't do it (but I tend to use very expensive heroes)

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"... Telchar wrought it in the deeps of time."
-On Andùril, The Lord of the Rings

Using models in your list and 2 Champions, you can make this 1,500pt army.

Epic Heroes;
Dain Ironfoot
Balin
A 50pt or less allied Hero

Common Formations:
Dwarf Warriors (6c) 2-handed weapons
Dwarf Warriors (3c) shields
Dwarf Warriors (3c) shields
Dwarf Rangers (3c) bows

Rare Formations:
2 Kings Champions
Khazad Guard (4 companies)

Or swap the 50pt Hero for 2 coys of KoMT and then swap the Rangers for 2 Ballistas.

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"I am the Flying Spagetti Monster. Thou shall have no other monsters before me"
-FSM.

Why the 2h warriors? Aint it better when i use shield? Def 6 might die to fast..

And maybe gimli over balin or how did u come up with him?

Tnx anyway for all the help!

Defence 6 too low! I think not. Have you seen Gundabad blackshields, Barbarians of Carn Dum, Numenorean Warriors, Galadhrim Regiments, Dunleding Warriors? Defence 6 is still heavily armoured, you just need to keep them in 5+ company formations. Defence 5 or less is low. Defence 6 do not die fast, unless your fighting the Mordor Royal Airforce. Defence 6-7 is common, your defence 8 is incredibly rare. Plus 2-handed weapoms are very good, Orcs with 2-handers (defence 3!) are very useful.

And when it comes to heroes, you also need to think about their pts value, you could swap Dain for Gimli if you prefer but Dain is a Counsellor. Balin is there for cheapness, like Durburz, Faramir, Isildur, Thrydan etc.

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"I am the Flying Spagetti Monster. Thou shall have no other monsters before me"
-FSM.

A very good list. For the 50pts hero I'd take Deorwinë, renamed as your favourite member of the 13 dwarves from the Hobbit.

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"... Telchar wrought it in the deeps of time."
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