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Painting contest or Popularity contest?
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Author:  Aruman [ Fri Apr 16, 2010 3:46 pm ]
Post subject:  Painting contest or Popularity contest?
There are some nice paintjobs on here, but none of the better ones seem to be getting any votes. Sorry, but spraypainting white and washing with watered-down turqoise isn't painting.
Author:  Longbottom Leaf [ Fri Apr 16, 2010 3:59 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Painting contest or Popularity contest?
Aruman wrote:
There are some nice paintjobs on here, but none of the better ones seem to be getting any votes. Sorry, but spraypainting white and washing with watered-down turqoise isn't painting.


All of the miniatures were nicely painted this month, so there is a lot of competition. These painting challenges are also not about who is neccesarily the best painter, but who practiced new techniques and really improved their skills. They are also certainly not a popularity contest.

I chose to vote for Pinky Beecroft myself. The final miniature looked great in my opinion, the base was nicely done and the painting had a pleasing ghostly look to it. He also tried to improve his sculpting skills while making this miniature, something he did a great job on.

Somehow, it seems to me like you are merely trolling here. :no:
Author:  Aruman [ Fri Apr 16, 2010 4:07 pm ]
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Not trolling. I've been following this website for awhile, this was just the first time I decided to post.

Pinky's base is really nice, but I didn't see a lot of technique in the paintjob, which is what this is supposed to be judging. The fact that you immediately knew who I was referring to makes my point.

It's just my opinion though, take it or leave it.
Author:  Longbottom Leaf [ Fri Apr 16, 2010 4:15 pm ]
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Aruman wrote:
Not trolling. I've been following this website for awhile, this was just the first time I decided to post.

Pinky's base is really nice, but I didn't see a lot of technique in the paintjob, which is what this is supposed to be judging. The fact that you immediately knew who I was referring to makes my point.

It's just my opinion though, take it or leave it.


I didn't know who you were refering to, I just explained my choice and the reasons for it.

I'm just unsure why you decided to join specifically to post a complaint about a friendly painting competition. It's all for fun anyways. It just seems rather suspicious to me is all, that you would join just to voice a complaint. Sounds like you were trying to troll and provoke an angry reaction.

This competition is just a fun challenge amongst all our friends here on OR. :)
Author:  Aruman [ Fri Apr 16, 2010 4:32 pm ]
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Granted my first post probably should have been something more positive. On that note your Dwarven Mine terrain looks really nice.
Author:  BilboOfTheWhiteTower [ Fri Apr 16, 2010 5:09 pm ]
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Aruman wrote:
Pinky's base is really nice, but I didn't see a lot of technique in the paintjob...It's just my opinion though, take it or leave it.

You certainly have a right to your opinion, however did you consider someone may have voted on the effort it took to create that one of a kind model. Everyone has a right to their opinion, even in a vote. :)
Author:  Pinky Beecroft [ Fri Apr 16, 2010 5:23 pm ]
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Well I'm certainly glad my model is causing such a stir! :P
Granted it's not going to win any golden demons but if you look through the barrow wight painting thread you'll see just how much effort went into getting it to look half decent. Anyway I'm pretty proud of it.
Thanks for the support Josh and Dave. 8)
Author:  imrail [ Fri Apr 16, 2010 5:27 pm ]
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Pinky Beecroft wrote:
Well I'm certainly glad my model is causing such a stir! :P
Granted it's not going to win any golden demons but if you look through the barrow wight painting thread you'll see just how much effort went into getting it to look half decent. Anyway I'm pretty proud of it.
Thanks for the support Josh and Dave. 8)


Hehe you got my vote ;)

But to be ontopic, I agree with LL, this is a contest to improve your skills whatsoever. The OR awards is a contest, in my viewpoint, a contest for popularity.
Author:  Pinky Beecroft [ Fri Apr 16, 2010 5:44 pm ]
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imrail wrote:
Hehe you got my vote ;)

But to be ontopic, I agree with LL, this is a contest to improve your skills whatsoever. The OR awards is a contest, in my viewpoint, a contest for popularity.


Thanks mate 8)

As Imrail says the painting challenges are more about improvements in technique, experimentation and creativity not necessarily about the best paint job. Some of the guys on here have years of experience with painting minis and do a cracking job whereas some are new to the hobby, I've only been involved for about 9 months myself, or are still teenagers and they do a cracking job too :yay:
Author:  Longbottom Leaf [ Fri Apr 16, 2010 6:47 pm ]
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That's why you got my vote Andrew, you put a lot of work into it and tried new things. The end result shows that, and that's why you've gotten so many votes.

imrail wrote:

But to be ontopic, I agree with LL, this is a contest to improve your skills whatsoever. The OR awards is a contest, in my viewpoint, a contest for popularity.


The OR awards conduct the voting anonymously. They are all about the quality of the work. It's rather hard for a contest which does it's voting anonymously to be a popularity contest. :wink:
Author:  Anduril Blade of Kings [ Fri Apr 16, 2010 7:54 pm ]
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Aye, I'm just backing up what's already been said with this post. The goal of the painting competitions is to provide a fun, interactive competition, where anyone can win. It's not based entirely on painting ability, but also improvement, trying out new techniques, etc. Apparently you didn't follow these challenges very well or you'd already be well aware of this 8) For the record, I though Pinky's painting was excellent. And his conversion--that's something to be proud of. Not everyone has the courage to saw a brand-new miniature in half and attempt to re-sculpt it into something it was never intended to be--and make it look great on top of it!

I'm not sure exactly why you posted this. It doesn't serve any purpose save for starting arguments. I might could understand, if not support, you if you had entered with an extremely well-painted model and weren't getting any votes, but....you aren't, so what's the motivation behind this? :roll:
Author:  Aruman [ Fri Apr 16, 2010 9:03 pm ]
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My post was based on my confusion as to why the best painted models had the lowest scores, or even no score. For example, Bilbo's models are not only unique but show very good technique, yet he has no votes, while at least two people so far have voted on your (Anduril) model being the best when your photograph is too dark to even see the paintjob (and I don't know Bilbo by the way, so don't be angry at him over my comments).

However, other posters have pointed out to me in this thread that the criteria for this contest isn't based on painting technique, so I stand corrected.

I obviously misunderstood the entire point of this competition, so my apologies.
Author:  Anduril Blade of Kings [ Fri Apr 16, 2010 9:24 pm ]
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Aruman wrote:
My post was based on my confusion as to why the best painted models had the lowest scores, or even no score. For example, Bilbo's models are not only unique but show very good technique, yet he has no votes, while at least two people so far have voted on your (Anduril) model being the best when your photograph is too dark to even see the paintjob (and I don't know Bilbo by the way, so don't be angry at him over my comments).

However, other posters have pointed out to me in this thread that the criteria for this contest isn't based on painting technique, so I stand corrected.

I obviously misunderstood the entire point of this competition, so my apologies.


Trust me, we all know Dave (BilboOfTheWhiteTower) well enough to know that he isn't bribing you or anything like that :P

No worries mate, we all make mistakes. You don't even want to hear about how I introduced myself :lol: it's just good that we learn from our mistakes and know better in the future :wink:
Author:  Dagorlad [ Fri Apr 16, 2010 11:13 pm ]
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Hi Aruman, welcome to the One Ring.

Looking over the range of minis in this month's challenge, there are an awful lot to choose from (I had to increase the maximum poll options setting to accommodate them all) and, to be honest, not many people who actively vote. So it's natural that many entries don't get a single vote.

I certainly don't think this is a 'popularity' contest. I can only speak for myself when it comes to voting (I went for The Buckland Brewer's mini), but I try to follow the progress of many of the paint jobs in the Work In Progress thread and that influences my final vote.
Author:  scipio.au [ Sun Apr 18, 2010 6:07 am ]
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Interesting post. My vote was a toss up between PinkyBeecroft and The Buckland Brewer's figures, because I thought both were very well done. I've been painting for, well, to be quite honest, longer than many of the forum members here have been born, and I can see quite a lot of technique in Pinky's mounted King of the Dead.

In the time I've been back on this forum, I have taken it to be a "best painted figure" competition, since I don't know any of the regulars here or how well Jim paints compared to Joe compared to Jack, so I don't really know or care who has improved the best, I'm just voting based on my personal aesthetic preference.

My figures have got 0 votes at the moment, but hey, that's life. I thought it would lack class to vote for my own figures, and besides, I'm happy to add one more to whichever of the noted figures I did vote for. My comments in a couple of other threads could have potentially cost me a vote or three, but when it comes down to it, in my opinion, it's not a "real" competition anyway. So who gives a rat's?

The "prize" is effectively meaningless - I take the painting challenges in much more of a "tale of four gamers" sense in that it gives me a motivation to actually get around to painting figures that have been sitting around for the better part of a decade, while looking at others painting the same or similar models, in a general atmosphere of general encouragement, which I believe is the real intent of the format. Not to "win" two "gold coins". If it's about "improvement" then I'm hosed for life anyway, as my own standard, which I consider high, hit an overall plateau about 18 years ago, with only small imporvements in technique and so forth since then. :P

Really though - three of the latest four figures actually don't offer an enormous amount of scope in their painting - Barrow-Wights, Nazgul, Ents, all three are in a sense "much of a muchness" kinds of figures, as they will tend to look very similar. The fact that there have been as many interesting paintjobs as we have gotten is a pretty good outcome. - But then again this is also true of a large part of the LotR range, as almost everything as seen in the films may as well be painted or washed over in a dirty grey...
Author:  Ukfreddybear [ Thu Apr 22, 2010 11:51 am ]
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I understand your point based upon the name of the competition. The entire creative process is being judged as opposed to purely the paintjobs, and I suspect my own entry has benefitted from a little of that, although I'd argue that 12 seperate paint stages and a little freehand is a quick and simple entry.

This misconception can easily be avoided in future by perhaps changing the name of the competition from 'Painting Competition' to 'Miniature Challenge'.

E.g. The subject of the current Miniature Challenge is an Ent. This leaves scope for converting/ scratch sculpting, basing, as well as painting. As long as the mini is submitted in a completed state, then there is no confusion. The look of the overall mini will be judged.

Alternatively if it is to stay a purely painting competition, then we need to be a little more strict with the guidelines. Only two alternatives to the chosen mini and no conversions. Personally I don't see this road as much fun.
Author:  Pinky Beecroft [ Thu Apr 22, 2010 11:58 am ]
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I agree with maybe changing the title of the topic Dave, for pretty much the reasons you have stated.
Author:  theavenger001 [ Thu Apr 22, 2010 6:02 pm ]
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I agree, a change in the title would be good. Though all along I have been voting based on many things, not just the paint job. 8)
Author:  Highlordell [ Thu Apr 22, 2010 6:13 pm ]
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I agree that a change is needed, but not desperately, heck, it might even persuede me to enter and show my horrific skills on the biggest LOTR SBG forum on the net. :o
Author:  garmenhord [ Thu Apr 22, 2010 7:18 pm ]
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participating is the most important thing to do :) ,
i think this contest just helps people to get painting.
I don't think it actually matters who wins , most of the people will have putted their effort in their work, they all should be rewarded for that. 8)
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