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Woses and Rohan 500pts (New list! 13/04/2013)
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Author:  LordElrond [ Fri Apr 05, 2013 9:25 am ]
Post subject:  Woses and Rohan 500pts (New list! 13/04/2013)
Woses and Rohan 500pts

Wanderers in the Wild 253pts

Warband 1
Ghân-Buri-Ghân
12 Woses Warriors

Warband 2
Bandobras Took, the Bullroarer
12 Woses Warriors

Rohan 247pts
Warband 3
Erkenbrand, Captain of Rohan on Horse
9 Westfold Redshields with Throwing Spears
2 Westfold Redshields

Total: 500pts


Comments and Criticism please.

Thanks,
LordElrond
Author:  SuicidalMarsbar [ Fri Apr 05, 2013 1:22 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Woses and Rohan 500pts
First off, your last warband has got to be 9 with spears, and 2 without, you are 4 points over and those 2 spears taken away bring it to 500.

Looks fun, although i'd probably opt to swap one of the woses warbands for some more 'tanky' infantry for the woses to hide behind.
Author:  LordElrond [ Fri Apr 05, 2013 1:36 pm ]
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Thanks, Marsbar.

Any other thoughts?
Author:  SouthernDunedain [ Fri Apr 05, 2013 2:33 pm ]
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Woses and Cavalry do not work. Trust me, myself and muppetslayer took woses + gondor knights to the doubles last year and the combo failed. the cavalry are too easily drawn away and woses cannot hold their own forever. Not to mention if you want the woses to shoot, they have to stand still whereas you want your cavalry to always be moving. If you really want to do a wose army, take foot infantry (either gondor, arnor, dwarves) that can take enemy bow fire. or take treebeard...he usually wipes out half a 500pt list anyway haha. you're not likely to come up against many things in 500pts who can take him out.
Author:  SuicidalMarsbar [ Fri Apr 05, 2013 4:27 pm ]
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A warband of woses led by Ghan with an eagle is a pretty effective counter to a competetive army, the eagle can take out any enemy shades, and the woses have a decent chance at wounding morannons. However i would never consider them a core unit in any army.
Author:  whafrog [ Fri Apr 05, 2013 8:10 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Woses and Rohan 500pts
With the new spear rules, they're even better support now for Rohan: with the wounding orc rule and Grimbold, D6 evil has trouble. I just don't like the cheese. Wouldn't like having to use Bandobras either (it makes no thematic sense), but there aren't many other options. Too bad there's not a Wose captain profile.
Author:  LordElrond [ Fri Apr 05, 2013 9:39 pm ]
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whafrog wrote:
With the new spear rules, they're even better support now for Rohan: with the wounding orc rule and Grimbold, D6 evil has trouble.

Good Idea!

whafrog wrote:
I just don't like the cheese.

What do you mean by this?

whafrog wrote:
Wouldn't like having to use Bandobras either (it makes no thematic sense), but there aren't many other options. Too bad there's not a Wose captain profile.

I agree about the captain and agree about Bandobras, but, as you say, there are no other thematic options or anyone else for those points in the Wanderers in the wild.

Currently rewriting a list with Rohan infantry...
Author:  LordElrond [ Sat Apr 06, 2013 7:58 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Woses and Rohan 500pts
Ok, written the list, but I'm not so sure about it without Erkenbrand and his horn of Elvenly Courage.

Anyway, here goes...

Woses and Rohan 500pts

Wanderers in the Wild

Warband 1
Ghan-Buri-Ghan
12 Woses Warriors

Warband 2
Bandobras Took the Bullroarer
12 Woses Warriors

Rohan

Warband 1
Grimbold of Grimslade
3 Rohan Outriders
6 Helmingas with shields

Warband2
Gamling, Captain of Rohan (Or maybe a generic Captain of Rohan with shield ?)
3 Rohan Outriders
4 Helmingas with shields
2 Helmingas with shields and throwingspears
Author:  LordElrond [ Sat Apr 06, 2013 9:27 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Woses and Rohan 500pts
Please give lots of feed back over the week, but I'll be on holiday so won't be able to view or reply to anything here for another week or so.

Thanks,
LordElrond
Author:  Goldman25 [ Sat Apr 06, 2013 9:44 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Woses and Rohan 500pts
I'd cut the second warband of Woses, and replace it with some cavalry (looking at the second list). Bandobras Took is an unusual choice to lead them, and seeing as he rides a horse himself, he'd just end up dying probably in most battles.
Author:  LordElrond [ Sat Apr 06, 2013 10:07 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Woses and Rohan 500pts
Goldman25 wrote:
I'd cut the second warband of Woses, and replace it with some cavalry (looking at the second list). Bandobras Took is an unusual choice to lead them, and seeing as he rides a horse himself, he'd just end up dying probably in most battles.


I'll think about that while I'm away. Thanks Goldman

What do other people think?

Thanks,
LordElrond
Author:  LordElrond [ Sat Apr 06, 2013 11:12 am ]
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Or should I get rid of some infantry and take Erkenbrand instead of Gamling/ Captain for his horn?
Author:  whafrog [ Sat Apr 06, 2013 4:20 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Woses and Rohan 500pts
LordElrond wrote:
whafrog wrote:
I just don't like the cheese.

What do you mean by this?


I just meant that it's thematically dubious, but it still looks good on the board :)

For your latest army, unless you already have the Wose models, I think you'd be better off with 1 warband of Woses, at least a full warband of Helmingas w/ shields + throwing spears, and flesh out the rest with cavalry and maybe more infantry. If you already have 2 warbands of Wose models it's tempting to use them, but not sure I have any opinion on it.
Author:  LordElrond [ Sat Apr 13, 2013 7:04 pm ]
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I'm back btw
Author:  LordElrond [ Sat Apr 13, 2013 8:31 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Woses and Rohan 500pts
Here's a new list:
Woses and Rohan 500pts
Wanderers in the Wild 129pts
Warband 1 129pts
Ghân-Buri-Ghân
12 Woses Warriors

Rohan 371pts
Warband 1 126pts
Grimbold of Grimslade
3 Rohan Outriders
5 Helmingas with Shields and Throwing Spears

Warband 2 226pts
Erkenbrand, Captain of Rohan
3 Rohan Outriders
5 Helmingas with Shields and Throwing Spears

Warband 3 109pts
Eowyn, Shield Maiden of Rohan with Armour
2 Rohan Outriders
6 Helmingas with Shields and Throwing Spears




Hope it's an improvement!???

Comments and criticism please.

Thanks,
LordElrond
Author:  Goldman25 [ Sat Apr 13, 2013 9:13 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Woses and Rohan 500pts (New list! 13/04/2013)
Seems like a more rounded force, and more even now that there aren't two full warbands of Woses. Are your Outriders mounted or on foot? If on foot, you may want to replace one warband with some cavalry. It's one of the main strengths of a Rohan army, so you may as well utilise it.
Author:  LordElrond [ Sat Apr 13, 2013 9:16 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Woses and Rohan 500pts (New list! 13/04/2013)
They're on foot.

I might do that, but THEN EACH SECTION WOULD BE ISOLATED PROBABLY, AND i'D END UP WITH A VERY SMALL AMOUNT OF CAVALRY AGAINST A WHOLE 500PTS ARMY IF I CHARGED.

(sORRY, DIDDN'T MEAN TO DO CAPITALS. aCCIDENTALLY PRESSED CAPS LOCK AND CAN'T BE BOTHERED TO CHHANGE IT BACK BY WRITING IT ALL OUT AGAIN)

THANKS,
LORDELROND
Author:  SuicidalMarsbar [ Sun Apr 14, 2013 3:39 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Woses and Rohan 500pts (New list! 13/04/2013)
LordElrond wrote:
EACH SECTION WOULD BE ISOLATED PROBABLY, AND i'D END UP WITH A VERY SMALL AMOUNT OF CAVALRY AGAINST A WHOLE 500PTS ARMY IF I CHARGED.


Well, for this to be the case you'd be charging your cavalry in first while the rest of your army tries to catch up, which is a tactic that would get you killed no what.

Use the cavalry model's extra move to flank the enemy once lines meet/capture objectives.

Yet again, i really think you'd only need one warband of woses.
Author:  LordElrond [ Sun Apr 14, 2013 5:42 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Woses and Rohan 500pts (New list! 13/04/2013)
I only have 1 warband of woses in my new list
Author:  SuicidalMarsbar [ Mon Apr 15, 2013 6:49 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Woses and Rohan 500pts (New list! 13/04/2013)
Indeed you do, my mistake :p
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