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Author:  .:Gunslinger:. [ Thu Sep 06, 2012 6:55 pm ]
Post subject:  Uruk scout list
Hi there,

is it possible for you guys to write me a good army list for Uruk scouts. Unfortunately I'm not very much into the game rules, so I find it difficult to build a good list, with realistic chances to win games! It would be great if someone could help me with this ;)

Here are a few criteria:

1) I want the list to be based on the "old" rules, not the new warband, 12 warrior+ hero rules
2) the list shoul include one part of uruk scouts (various weapons) and some orcs...based on the encounter between the uruks and grishnaks orks! ;)
3) I have Ugluk, Vrashku, Grishnak (which should be included ;))
4) 700pts in total, i.e. 400pts uruks, 300pts orcs

Thanks!
Author:  Callan [ Thu Sep 06, 2012 9:26 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Uruk scout list
.:Gunslinger:. wrote:
Hi there,

is it possible for you guys to write me a good army list for Uruk scouts. Unfortunately I'm not very much into the game rules, so I find it difficult to build a good list, with realistic chances to win games! It would be great if someone could help me with this ;)

Here are a few criteria:

1) I want the list to be based on the "old" rules, not the new warband, 12 warrior+ hero rules
2) the list shoul include one part of uruk scouts (various weapons) and some orcs...based on the encounter between the uruks and grishnaks orks! ;)
3) I have Ugluk, Vrashku, Grishnak (which should be included ;))
4) 700pts in total, i.e. 400pts uruks, 300pts orcs

Thanks!


Wow!!! If you will not take the time required to learn the rules, why bother play and waste other player's time. Get real!
Author:  whafrog [ Thu Sep 06, 2012 10:05 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Uruk scout list
Callan wrote:
Wow!!! If you will not take the time required to learn the rules, why bother play and waste other player's time. Get real!


Oh, don't be so hard on him, I think he just meant the last sentence to read:

"Thanks, and I'll be so grateful I'll buy each responder a box of their favourite minis!"

:-D
Author:  Callan [ Thu Sep 06, 2012 11:44 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Uruk scout list
Whafrog, I bow down to you for your diplomatic skills :rofl: Peace 8)
Author:  noobert [ Fri Sep 07, 2012 12:28 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Uruk scout list
Not sure why you freaked out on him like that. It's not like everyone has to like the new rules and play by them. And he's really not forcing anyone to make him a list he was just asking kindly if any one that wanted to could help him out.
Author:  whafrog [ Fri Sep 07, 2012 4:09 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Uruk scout list
noobert wrote:
It's not like everyone has to like the new rules and play by them.


I don't think it was about liking the "new rules", I interpreted it as being "any rules".

noobert wrote:
And he's really not forcing anyone to make him a list he was just asking kindly if any one that wanted to could help him out.


I don't know, IMHO asking someone else to do the work for you is somewhat rude, no matter how kindly said. It takes time to look up all the profiles and calculate war gear so it all fits into your point limit. The minimum someone should do is make a readable list of their own and then ask for advice about it.

@Gunslinger: you already have your heroes picked out, you don't need any more in 700 points, unless it's a budget wraith or a shaman, so all you have to do is round out your warriors. The wraith would be thematic based on Grishnack's comment in the books. Grishnack is in one of the Mordor lists, so bring a ton of orcs, especially spears. Thematically you should only have scouts (especially with shields and bows), but including a few Ferals as heavy hitters would help and I believe they are in the Isengard Raiders list. A few warg riders can't hurt either, but they are less useful without a hero like Sharku to lead them. Whatever you do, you should end up with numbers at least in the 60s.
Author:  .:Gunslinger:. [ Fri Sep 07, 2012 8:02 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Uruk scout list
Hi,

ok I never meaént to be rude by simply asking this...wtf? Callan...I'm more of a painter as you might have noticed seeing my minis, but after collecting tons of minis I wanted to try out the game itself...if that bothers you go and post somewhere else. I find it ridiculous to get an answer like that in a forum that's called "army help"...


So mods please close this, I will figure it out myself!
Author:  Dead Marsh Spectre [ Fri Sep 07, 2012 8:43 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Uruk scout list
@Gunslinger - You might as well leave the thread open as others are predominantly painters rather than gamers myself included and would be interested to see what lists are made.
Author:  .:Gunslinger:. [ Fri Sep 07, 2012 9:30 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Uruk scout list
I may have expressed me a bit wrong in the first post! I should've said that I'm more of a painter than a gamer...also I'm totally capable of writing a basic scout list. The problem is, which is also the reason for posting here, is that I don't have tournament experience and therefore don't know which are the things that make a list really good. For example I don't know if it's worth taking in wargriders, as I can't take very many...also should I take Sharku as a captain for the wargs...what are the chances of such a list against elves or a Gondor army with strong heroes?

So maybe it's now possible to get a few answers without getting bashed down for some reason...
Author:  SouthernDunedain [ Fri Sep 07, 2012 11:42 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Uruk scout list
not much stands up to elves imho unless you can swarm them with lots of troops while avoiding bowfire. Wouldnt bother with wargs personally, unless you have loads or points spare. I would take Uruk scouts with shields, Orc spears and probably uruks with bows (although crossbows would be better...but they arnt scouty.) Have equal numbers of shields and spears. Tbh, this army isnt designed for tournaments or taking on strong heroes. Your best bet would be to shoot them with vrasku. I've always considered scouts to be scenario specific models rather than army building blocks.

Why dont you make your basic list, and then we can tweak and give suggestions? That way everyone is happy.
Author:  SidTheSloth [ Fri Sep 07, 2012 11:53 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Uruk scout list
@gunslinger: i dont mind to be honest but perhaps next time just make a very rough, basic list and ask for help improving it :)

i deffo dont know much about good tactics and tourney rules but heres a nice thematic list:


Uglúk
Vraskû
Mauhúr

1 Uruk-hai Scout with Banner
12 Uruk-hai Scout w/shield;
12 Uruk-hai Scout w/bow
11 Uruk-hai Scout


Grishnakh

16 Orc Warrior w/spear
8 Orc Warrior w/spear + bow


700pts
Author:  Damian [ Fri Sep 07, 2012 12:43 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Uruk scout list
I would have Warg riders led by Sharku. Cav bonuses coupled with the Warg's strength 4 and Sharku's 3 Might would be useful. I wouldn't take orcs with spears to back up Uruks with shields, if you want a shield wall with spear/pike support then take normal uruks, not scouts. I'd take berzerkers instead, they're D6 so you get a bit of resilience in your list, they have 2 attacks and their 2-handed weapons can't be supported by spears, so not taking spears or pikes is less of an issue. Front up with the berzerkers and flank with bow/shield armed scouts and throwing-spear armed warg riders to trim off your opponent's spear support. This sort of force would play fluidly, like a scout force should. I think it would do fine using Rohan tactics as the forces are similar (no spear support, light cav with throwing spears, D5 and D6 infantry, cheap heroes with 3 might).
Author:  whafrog [ Fri Sep 07, 2012 1:12 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Uruk scout list
.:Gunslinger:. wrote:
I'm totally capable of writing a basic scout list.


That'd be a good start, please go ahead.

.:Gunslinger:. wrote:
I don't know if it's worth taking in wargriders, as I can't take very many...also should I take Sharku as a captain for the wargs...


I'm quite fond of Sharku and wargs, but really he's the only mid-range warg-mounted hero that gives you enough Might to be effective. But taking Sharku would mean dropping one of the heroes you mentioned.

.:Gunslinger:. wrote:
what are the chances of such a list against elves or a Gondor army with strong heroes?


Under the old rules "strong heroes" means fewer troops, and the game definitely favours quantity over quality in most cases. So if someone is fielding Boromir (Captain version) in 700 points you might do pretty well. With uruks at the front you'll win more fights against Gondor, and your higher strength will be effective against their armour. However, as scouts with lower armour, they're just as effective against you if they win the fight, so you really need those orc spears to get as many dice into each fight as possible. You need to win fights to stay alive.

Against elves I think scouts are much more difficult to work with, and the Legion list, with their heavy armour, pikes, and xbows, is a better bet. SouthernDunedain makes good points about scouts being more scenario-oriented.

.:Gunslinger:. wrote:
So maybe it's now possible to get a few answers without getting bashed down for some reason...


Some reason? Getting answers to specific questions is one thing, asking for someone to do a bunch of work for you is another. Note your first post didn't ask any specific questions, just asked "write me a list". Maybe that's not the tone you meant to set. Everybody here is eager to help, IMHO you should at least meet us halfway.
Author:  whafrog [ Fri Sep 07, 2012 1:21 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Uruk scout list
Damian wrote:
I wouldn't take orcs with spears to back up Uruks with shields, if you want a shield wall with spear/pike support then take normal uruks, not scouts.


Have to disagree with that, spears are a fundamental army building block, unless you can't get them, like with dwarves, or you're playing a specific scenario.

Damian wrote:
I'd take berzerkers instead, they're D6 so you get a bit of resilience in your list, they have 2 attacks and their 2-handed weapons can't be supported by spears, so not taking spears or pikes is less of an issue.


I think berzerkers are in the Legions list. In any case, berserkers do have hand-weapons, so they can still be supported if they choose not to use their 2-handed weapon.
Author:  Damian [ Fri Sep 07, 2012 2:00 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Uruk scout list
Oh yeah, haven't looked at 'LOME' for a while, zerks aren't in that scout list.

Spears may be a fundamental building block, but forming an organised shield wall with spear back-up is not particularly thematic for an Uruk 'scout' force, especially if those spears are led by Grishnak. (I'm sure the Isengard uruks would be really happy with Mordor Orcs holding stabby things standing right behind them!)

Taking spear armed orcs is shoehorning the Uruk scouts into a play style that is done better by other forces, namely normal Uruks with pikes/shields. You're losing out both thematically and on the table. I still maintain that by using zerks with your scouts you could make a list that could use Rohan (and Dwarf) tactics and do ok. Theme is not just about the models you choose, but the way you use them too, a scout force should play like one if you want to stick to theme. If you want to win tourneys pick something else.
Author:  whafrog [ Fri Sep 07, 2012 2:08 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Uruk scout list
Damian wrote:
Spears may be a fundamental building block, but forming an organised shield wall with spear back-up is not particularly thematic for an Uruk 'scout' force, especially if those spears are led by Grishnak. (I'm sure the Isengard uruks would be really happy with Mordor Orcs holding stabby things standing right behind them!)


LOL, good point :)
Author:  Beowulf03809 [ Tue Sep 11, 2012 6:58 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Uruk scout list
An Uruk Scout list may not be a top tourney winner but in friendly games (even competitive ones) it can do very well. Uruk Scouts are every bit as effective as Uruk Warriors, with just one point less Defense. You don't need a shield wall to win with Uruks. That's just one technique (an effective one, but still just one). Uruks do very well working in smaller teams as well. If you have at least two models on your enemy, strike to kill. If just one, shield with that Uruk until he can get some help.

Uruk Scouts with bows can close at half speed while shooting. They aren't going to scare away many people but those bows are still very good at shooting out horses or spear support. And when they get close that scout is every bit the fighter as the others.

Playing thematic can be really fun but it does make it more of a challenge. But don't let a self imposed theme rule dominate your game. Yes, the Orcs and Uruks argued and fought among themselves...when no one else was there to fight. But if facing a dangerous foe and they are getting intermixed in the battle there's nothing to say they wouldn't support and assist each other somewhat to save their own skins.
Author:  GothmogtheWerewolf [ Tue Sep 11, 2012 8:12 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Uruk scout list
Themewise, many people forget that there were three, not two, nations of Orcs, Ugluk's Isengarders, Grishnakh's Mordor Orcs, and the 'Northerners' (Misty Mountains Orcs), represented by Moria Goblins, until the Hobbit.

Also the Ringwraith has to ride a Fell Beast. I would also say forget Vraskhu themewise, as GW has him commanding at the Fords of Isen battles, though he does help you competitivewise. Shamans would be complicated as there are two or three different races to put in fury.
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