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Author:  SidTheSloth [ Thu Jun 28, 2012 9:55 pm ]
Post subject:  archers=half points 600pt list
Hi all
Is there anyone who could help me with my list?
Its for a GW game that is half points cost on all archer models
and I would like to take:
A) a mainly bow armed force that is more point efficient than all the others
B) a different force that is brilliant at taking out archers
C) a mix of A and B
I have rather few bow limited armies at my disposal: Fellowship, Rohan (limited heroes), a few Galadhrim (v. limited heroes), Isengard and Mordor.
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I was thinking somewhere along the lines of:

Waband 1 - 6/12
Eomer, Marshal of the Riddermark w/bow, shield, horse
2 Rider of Rohan w/throwing spears
4 Rider of Rohan

warband 2 - 10/12
Legolas w/armour + elven cloak
4 galadhrim warriors w/bow
2 galadhrim warriors w/elven blade
4 galadhrim warriors w/spear, shield

Warband 3
Gandalf the grey

warband 4 - 10/12
Aragorn w/armour + elven cloak + bow
4 Rohan outriders
3 Warriors of Rohan w/shield
3 Warriors of Rohan w/throwing weapons + shield


Total points: 598
Total units: 30
break point: 10
bows: 14 (do RoR count?)
shots: 19
might: 12*

help would be apprieciated
thanks in advance 8)
Author:  SuicidalMarsbar [ Thu Jun 28, 2012 9:58 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: archers=half points 600pt list
Have you thought about dwarves? You get a str 3 bow and defence 6 for only what 4/5 points in this game variant, very good at taking fire and their high strength bows can take out alot of flimsy archers! HAHAHAHA Also you'd get murin and drar for only 112.5 pts and leggy for only 45, pehaps all hero is the way to go...
Author:  SidTheSloth [ Thu Jun 28, 2012 10:12 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: archers=half points 600pt list
No, i'm afraid I dont have any dwarfs (they're next on my 'get' list)
but yes they would be near perfect for this job :(
Author:  GothmogtheWerewolf [ Thu Jun 28, 2012 10:16 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: archers=half points 600pt list
They'e halfing the cost of archers,? Something that's already rather powerful in SBG> Sounds like abuse for some armies. Just imagine a Grey Company army. If you're choosing Rohan archers, go for Outriders on foot, same cost and stats as Warriors, but better shoot. Oh, and a Warrior cannot take both a bow and shield at the same time.

If you want Elves, I'd say go for Wood Elves, and if you're playing evil go for Haradrim, or Crossbows if they count.
Author:  SidTheSloth [ Thu Jun 28, 2012 10:28 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: archers=half points 600pt list
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Oh, and a Warrior cannot take both a bow and shield at the same time.

Ah, good point, thanks gothmog, I'll change them for something else
as for the outriders, I don't have any but do you reckon I could just turn up and say 'these are acting as outriders'?
I'm afraid I haven't got any haradrim or wood elves and i've only got three X-bows :(
do you think there is any way I could make the current list better?
Author:  GothmogtheWerewolf [ Thu Jun 28, 2012 10:34 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: archers=half points 600pt list
For the outriders, you could just sculpt horse tails on the helmets of the Warriors if you have the time, if not it would depend on whose running it.

Pity you don't have Haradrim or Wood Elves, because that touney is calling for them. And Grey Company, as they're 100% bows :o

I would say swap Eomer for Erkenbrand, if you have him, and upgrde some of the RoR into Riders of the Westfold. And Aragorn can't lead Rohirrim, only Arnor and Minas Tirith, gp for Grimbold instead if possible, and upgrade the Warriors into Helmingas.

And I'd change the ration of elve, so there's only 2 with Elven Blades.
Author:  SidTheSloth [ Fri Jun 29, 2012 6:52 am ]
Post subject:  Re: archers=half points 600pt list
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because that touney is calling for them
its not like a proffesional tourney it just a game for fun at my local GW :-D

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if not it would depend on whose running it

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And Aragorn can't lead Rohirrim, only Arnor and Minas Tirith

im pretty sure the manager won't mind,
last time I went there was Sauron leading harahrim raiders and they introduced an oiliphaunt half way through just for fun! :lol: :lol: :lol:


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gp for Grimbold instead if possible, and upgrade the Warriors into Helmingas.

I would dearly love grimbold and getting more Rohan heroes is on my 'to do' list but i'm afraid Ive only got Eomer at the moment :(

ive updated the army list
please post what you think of it :)
Author:  Damian [ Fri Jun 29, 2012 9:17 am ]
Post subject:  Re: archers=half points 600pt list
I like Eomer. While it's true that Erky is exceptional value for his points with 3 might, Defence 7 and the Horn of the Hammerhand, sometimes you just can't put a price on a second point of will when facing the Mouth of Sauron or a budget Wraith.

I'm pretty sure that archers can take shields (Lurtz has one). They don't get the bonus to defence and can only use the shield for shielding, so it's not a great use of points.

I use my Warriors of Rohan with bows as Outriders on foot. Nobody has complained yet. Most people's response is "Yeah, why would you take WoR with bows when outriders cost the same. By the way, all my plastic Orcs with bows are in fact Orc Trackers."

I tried WoR with bows upgraded to Helmingas once....it was disappointing.
Author:  whafrog [ Fri Jun 29, 2012 10:34 am ]
Post subject:  Re: archers=half points 600pt list
Nobody has pointed out you're over the bow limit...?
Author:  SidTheSloth [ Fri Jun 29, 2012 12:13 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: archers=half points 600pt list
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Nobody has pointed out you're over the bow limit...?

this is only a very vague list and i was hoping someone could help out with the bow limit

perhaps:

Waband 1 - 6/12
Eomer, Marshal of the Riddermark w/bow + shield + horse
2 Rider of Rohan w/throwing spears (cant shoot)
2 Riders of Rohan (cant shoot)
2 rohan outriders w/horse

warband 2 - 11/12
Legolas w/armour + elven cloak
4 galadhrim warriors w/bow
3 galadhrim warriors w/elven blade
5 galadhrim warriors w/spear + shield

Warband 3
Gandalf the Grey

warband 4 - 11/12
Aragorn w/armour + elven cloak + bow
4 Rohan outriders
3 Warriors of Rohan w/shield
4 Warriors of Rohan w/throwing weapons + shield

Total points: 599.5
Total units: 32
total bows: 13 (15 shots)
might: 12*

I think thats all the warbands legit (apart from aragorn)
please correct me about any other mistakes

are there any good, small alterations that I could make?
any good tactics for this kind of army? (I will probaly be against lots of bow armed troops)

TIA
Author:  SuicidalMarsbar [ Fri Jun 29, 2012 1:23 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: archers=half points 600pt list
Twins at half points with bows armour and horses, aragorn at half points with a bow, heavy armour and a horse, legolas at half points with a horse, gandalf mounted and Saruman mounted fits in and would beat everything...
Author:  SidTheSloth [ Fri Jun 29, 2012 1:33 pm ]
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aragorn at half points with a bow, heavy armour

i didnt think he could have heavy armour?

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Twins at half points with bows armour and horses

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legolas at half points with a horse

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gandalf mounted

Hmmm... i don't have any of these :(
yep, I have very limited Heroes :(
i'll try to get some more for my next battle :D


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...Saruman mounted fits in and would beat everything...

i do have mounted Saruman. Do you think i should swap him for something?
if so, who for?
Author:  SuicidalMarsbar [ Fri Jun 29, 2012 1:38 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: archers=half points 600pt list
Depends really, he is probably the best good model in the game and you could squeeze him in if you give your captains bows. I think he'd fare better than gandalf on foot. Also having a 2nd mounted hero means you can make quite an effective strike force (especially if one can sorcerous blast on a 4+ zomg)

P.S Aragorn the king can wear heavy armour, i forgot you have to take anduril flame of the points to access it tho.
Author:  Elessar Telcontar [ Fri Jun 29, 2012 2:07 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: archers=half points 600pt list
SuicidalMarsbar wrote:
P.S Aragorn the king can wear heavy armour, i forgot you have to take anduril flame of the points to access it tho.

And he can't have a bow. Strider can take a bow, has armour/no armour and can take Anduril. King Elessar has heavy armour and Anduril. Isildur's Heir has a bow.
Author:  SidTheSloth [ Fri Jun 29, 2012 2:08 pm ]
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I think he'd fare better than gandalf on foot. Also having a 2nd mounted hero means you can make quite an effective strike force (especially if one can sorcerous blast on a 4+ zomg)

There is no doubting that saruman is a skilled and effective wizard but I'm not really sure how I'd fit him into my already expensive army :roll: . I don't think i really want to swap him for gandalf (Gandalf's Blinding Light could really help)
pehaps I could swap him for a few WoR...
Author:  GothmogtheWerewolf [ Fri Jun 29, 2012 3:03 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: archers=half points 600pt list
Damian wrote:
I'm pretty sure that archers can take shields (Lurtz has one). They don't get the bonus to defence and can only use the shield for shielding, so it's not a great use of points.


Lurtz is an exception, there is a rule against it normally.

Has ayone mentioned giving |Gnadalf ahorse, since he's on his own?
Author:  SidTheSloth [ Fri Jun 29, 2012 3:26 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: archers=half points 600pt list
If I had Gandalf on a horse then I would definetely field him but i'm afraid I haven't
I was going to wait for 'The Hobbit' for a new Gandalf

Does anybody have an idea where in my list I could insert a mounted Saruman? :)
Author:  SidTheSloth [ Fri Jun 29, 2012 4:37 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: archers=half points 600pt list
do you think that the riders of rohan that can't shoot still count as being an archers?
if so then they would be half price :D
they still have bows so i dont see why not
Author:  Damian [ Fri Jun 29, 2012 5:23 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: archers=half points 600pt list
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Lurtz is an exception, there is a rule against it normally.


Can you give me a page reference for that Gothmog. My rulebook (on page 46) says they can have both, but can't use them at the same time so archers with a shield get no defence bonus, but can use the rules for shielding.

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do you think that the riders of rohan that can't shoot still count as being an archers?
if so then they would be half price
they still have bows so i dont see why not

If they have bows they are archers. The convention about RoR that don't shoot and don't count towards the bow limit was in the FAQ at the back of LoME and as a result is now merely a convention, not a rule that you can point to in any current rulebook. I would be wary these days about assuming everyone is OK with that unless it was against someone who was familiar with LoME, a new player may not be familiar with that particular convention. I think it's a pity GW didn't take bows off RoR and make it a 1 point option for them to take one.

Personally I wouldn't have a problem if someone wanted to play with a RoR army and only have 1/3 of them with bows (I have a Rohan army myself and it is tempting). But.... if I was playing in an event and someone wanted to use more RoR than bow limit allows, because they can't shoot, but pay half points for them because they have bows and archers are half price for this event, I would hit them with the RAW stick. You can't be not armed with a bow for the bow limit and armed with a bow for the points saving at the same time. Nice try, but that's just downright cheeky :-D
Author:  SidTheSloth [ Fri Jun 29, 2012 6:23 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: archers=half points 600pt list
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You can't be not armed with a bow for the bow limit and armed with a bow for the points saving at the same time.

its not like they're not armed with a bow its just they cant shoot


heres a revised list:

Warband 1 - 11/12
Legolas w/armour + elven cloak
2 Galadhrim warriors w/elven blade
4 Galadhrim warriors w/elf bow
5 Galadhrim warriors w/spear + shield

Warband 2 - 6/12
Eomer w/horse + bow + shield
2 Riders of Rohan (can't shoot)
2 Riders of Rohan w/throwing weapons (can't shoot)
2 Rohan outriders w/horse

Warband 3 - 12/12
Aragorn w/elven cloak + armour + bow
4 Warriors of Rohan w/bow
4 Warriors of Rohan w/shield
4 Warriors of Rohan w/ shield + throwing spears

Warband 4 - 1/12
Gandalf the Grey


Total points:602.5
Total units: 33
bows:13
shots:15
might: 12


does anybody have any good tactics/advice for this kind of army?
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