Harad & Umbar

NotLegolasJustTipsy · **Posted:** Wed Feb 20, 2013 9:31 am

What about the other ones in the box? The ones with bow or spear? Where is best to get spare bits and bobs?

Jazlotus · **Joined:** Mon Feb 21, 2011 11:23 pm **Posts:** 170

What about playing some Black Numenorean's with the Castellan of Umbar upgrade? They look like they would pretty good, plus if they lose the fight at least they don't die easy? What does everyone think to them?

cereal_theif · **Posted:** Wed Feb 20, 2013 9:25 pm

I'm more a fan of a 50% bow harad force so I avoid BNs but in the old days I used them all the time in my minas morgul army.

Jazlotus · **Joined:** Mon Feb 21, 2011 11:23 pm **Posts:** 170

cereal_theif wrote:

I'm more a fan of a 50% bow harad force so I avoid BNs but in the old days I used them all the time in my minas morgul army.

What army do you tend to play then? In say a 500 point game?

cereal_theif · **Posted:** Wed Feb 20, 2013 9:38 pm

ooooOOoo
depends
Either
Sulladan
12 Serpent Riders

Chieftan horse/bow/lance
11 raiders bow/lance
1 raider banner

or
Golden King
3 harad spear
3 watchers bow
6 Abra guard

Taskmaster
5 harad spear
6 harad bow

Chieftan
5 harad spear
6 Warriors of Karna with bow

cereal_theif · **Posted:** Wed Feb 20, 2013 9:46 pm

Also I combine these two to make my 1000pt force.

Jazlotus · **Joined:** Mon Feb 21, 2011 11:23 pm **Posts:** 170

I still don't have any watchers yet. What do you think of Arbalasters?

Beowulf03809 · **Posted:** Thu Feb 21, 2013 3:07 am

@ cereal_thief: I like the two lists and the second is similar to one of the 500pt options I had worked out. I wanted to ask though if you meant Watchers of Karna in that last warband ( w/ the chieftain ) or actually Warriors of Karna. If so, why the Warriors of Karna? I may be remembering wrong but wasn't their only difference in Courage?

Draugluin · **Posted:** Thu Feb 21, 2013 3:24 am

Warriors of Karna cost 2pts more that Haradrim and only have a 3+ shoot value. For a single point more, you could have a Watcher, who is just as good at shooting and SO much better at fighting. I would never waste points on the Karna upgrade.

cereal_theif · **Posted:** Thu Feb 21, 2013 9:17 am

Yes they are Warriors of Karna.

2 reasons
1) I only have 3pts left. So could only upgrade 3 of these to watchers.
2) I only have 3 watchers in my collection.

Basically people talk about the pro's of Watchers but frankly if you don't have the points then you don't upgrade the watchers but to warriors if you just want to shoot better.

Beowulf03809 · **Posted:** Thu Feb 21, 2013 1:44 pm

@ cereal_thief: agreed. Sometimes you do come up a few points short and can look around and find an upgrade of one type or another. Even if it's not the most efficient use of points, it's still better to go in with a couple upgrade models you normally wouldn't worry about rather than going in with only 497 points spent. Unspent points are less efficient than any upgrade.

Thanks for the clarification, Draugluin. There are a few options now to take the basic Haradrim warrior up a little and I don't quite have them memorized yet. With the 50% bow limit combined with (arguably useful) poison arrows a 3+ is nice. Eventually you will get those archers into combat though and the melee effectiveness of the Watchers is really nice.

simmuskhan · **Posted:** Thu Feb 21, 2013 8:21 pm

Warrior of karna upgrade is particularly nice when in a mumak with throwing rocks =)

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