Sauron into Battle

jay170788 · **Joined:** Tue Feb 07, 2012 7:58 am **Posts:** 87

Beowulf03809 wrote:

Agreed about the Mumuk. That thing (and maybe the Great Beast...I never looked at it's details or profile) is an 'exception'. I think if the Mumuk can use the new Monster Attacks it's going to be unbalancing.

Unbalancing but very realistic, the points should therefore go up accordingly for it, but it will make playing against one more interesting, i would personally relish the thought of taking one on, throw everything at it to get it down like you would in a "real life" battlle. (yes i know there are no oliphaunts in real life)

Beowulf03809 · **Posted:** Wed Jan 16, 2013 2:15 pm

I think the Mumuk is already priced out pretty well for what it can do. Maybe even a little over costed considering there are tactics to cripple it's effectiveness. And TBH, having Eagles or Ents attack it now with THEIR monster attacks could really threaten it. The new attacks really would make it operate more like what you experience in the films and at its current cost it's rarely valuable in 500pt games (though very fun!). Maybe with the new rules that could change.

GW already knew what was coming with the monster attacks when they wrote the warband books, so if they intended to adjust the Mumuks points they would have done it then. I think we need to have it play tested using the new rules and someone report back here to let us know. I'd do it myself but won't be getting the new rules until late March.

jay170788 · **Joined:** Tue Feb 07, 2012 7:58 am **Posts:** 87

I am joining a gaming group in a couple weeks time, but they dont have many LOTR players, let's hope i can change that. But if any of them have the Mumak i will definately be wanting to face off against it with my galadhrim with radagast and eagle.

Lord of easterling · **Joined:** Sun Sep 12, 2010 10:26 am **Posts:** 54

Are there in the new main rulebook mumak's rules and profile? Because in the EfGT little rulebook there are no rules for it, like for volley fire...

Beowulf03809 · **Posted:** Wed Jan 16, 2013 5:35 pm

Volley fire went away with the new rules, so that's why it's not included.

The Mumuk is in the Fallen Realms warbands book. I haven't seen that updated book yet but according to the FAQ (http://www.games-workshop.com/MEDIA_Cus ... MBER12.pdf ) it is not considered Monsterous Cavalry. So I'd say unless the warband book or something else specifically identifies "monster" somewhere it does not benefit from the new attacks.

GothmogtheWerewolf · **Posted:** Wed Jan 16, 2013 5:40 pm

Lord of easterling wrote:

Are there in the new main rulebook mumak's rules and profile? Because in the EfGT little rulebook there are no rules for it, like for volley fire...

Hobbit models only, you need the sourrcebooks for LotR.

By the way the monster sin Mordor are:

Fell Beast/Armoured Fell Beast. Horned Fell Beast
Dragon
Cave Drake
Shelob
Spider Queen
Mordor Trolls/ Troll Chieftain / Troll Loaders
Great Beasts (yes it is listed as a monster)

Also, the Mumak is definately classed as a Monster:

Quote:

War Mumak of harad (Mumak, Monster)

From the Fallen Realms sourcebook.

So yes Mumakil can use Brutal Power Attacks. So nerh!

Beowulf03809 · **Posted:** Wed Jan 16, 2013 6:15 pm

GothmogtheWerewolf wrote:

Also, the Mumak is definately classed as a Monster:

Quote:

War Mumak of harad (Mumak, Monster)

From the Fallen Realms sourcebook.

So yes Mumakil can use Brutal Power Attacks. So nerh!

Oh yeah! I can feel the trampling already. :shock:

Thanks for clarifying. I really wish our local store had that one in stock.

Lord of easterling · **Joined:** Sun Sep 12, 2010 10:26 am **Posts:** 54

GothmogtheWerewolf wrote:

Hobbit models only, you need the sourrcebooks for LotR.

Ok now i'm a bit confused

The new rules(The Hobbit SBG) have replaced the old rules(Lotr)---> so no volley fire, introduced new Monster/weapons abilities,etc...
Or are both of them still "legal"?

So the Mumak is a monster :twisted:

Beowulf03809 · **Posted:** Wed Jan 16, 2013 6:26 pm

The warband books are compatible with the One Ring and Hobbit versions of the rules. So if your local players want to stick with the classic SBG (One Ring) rules then the warband books work fine. We're currently playing like that.

If you want to cut over to the Hobbit rules, which we all intend to do eventually, then nothing in warbands goes out of date.

GothmogtheWerewolf · **Posted:** Wed Jan 16, 2013 7:50 pm

For playing the Hobbit, the following books are relevant: The Hobbit Rulebook, the 5 sourcebooks (Mordor, Free Peoples, etc) & the 3 Journey books.

For before that it was One Rulebook with sourcebooks and journeybooks.

Before that it was One Rulebook, Legions of Middle-earth, Old Sourcebooks + journeybooks.

Telchar · **Posted:** Sat Jan 19, 2013 8:16 am

Why the journeybooks?

KnightyKnight · **Posted:** Sat Jan 19, 2013 8:40 am

Because characters such as the Dunedain, Rohan Outriders, armoured Dunlendings, Vrasku, Feral Uruks, etc etc (never bought ROTK sourcebook so can't comment

) were introduced in the journeybooks.

Beowulf03809 · **Posted:** Sat Jan 19, 2013 4:06 pm

But if all the profiles are covered in the Warband books there isn't much reason to get they journey books if profiles are all you are after.

That being said, the three movie journey books have great scenarios, terrain and painting guides. I think they are worth the money, especially if you can find them in good condition second hand online.

GothmogtheWerewolf · **Posted:** Sat Jan 19, 2013 11:13 pm

Telchar wrote:

Why the journeybooks?

Beowulf03809 wrote:

That being said, the three movie journey books have great scenarios, terrain and painting guides.

This, mainly for the scenarios, but the other also, since the warband books contain no hooby stuff just rules and profiles, it also has theme. Plus, you will be able to have a full set when the Hobbit Journeybooks are released.

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