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 Post subject: Re: Elves or Hobbits?
PostPosted: Fri Sep 23, 2011 1:34 pm 
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Beowulf03809 wrote:
whafrog and I have very similar instincts with regard to our WE armies.


Heh, I learned them from you, O wood elf master :) I've been able to apply your principles very successfully, so thanks!

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Only problem, I'm never gonna get to use it for it's full potential. thing is, how often am I going to throw a lone wood elf into combat?


I don't usually include a lot. For a while, all the blade models I had were simply counted as not having blades but throwing daggers instead. But I've come to appreciate them at the right time. Ideally I use them as a hero escort, so the hero wins the fight normally while 2 or 3 other models are going 2 handed. Practically this ideal doesn't get achieved very often, but it works great against monsters where the base size allows you to get numerous models in play. I once took out a Troll Chief in one turn this way, with Rumil backed up with a spear and a pike, and 3 elf blades surrounding it

If I had my "ideal proportion" it would be something like:
12 bows
12 spears
4 blades + throwing daggers
8 throwing daggers
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 23, 2011 2:30 pm 
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If your using radagast then i wouldn't hesitate on using ALOT of elf blades, a very nice tacitc for killing enemy monsters/heroes is to immobilize the enemy with radagast, then have the elf bladers run in with 2h weapons and chop it up.
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 23, 2011 2:47 pm 
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SuicidalMarsbar wrote:
If your using radagast then i wouldn't hesitate on using ALOT of elf blades, a very nice tacitc for killing enemy monsters/heroes is to immobilize the enemy with radagast, then have the elf bladers run in with 2h weapons and chop it up.


That's not a bad idea for a counter charge, I do think I will employ it 8)

I threw together a bit of a list, please tell me what you think...

Legolas with armor 95
Radagast 150

3 sentinels 75

12 Wood elf warriors with bows and cloaks 168
16 Wood elf warriors with spears (and 2 with throwing dagger) 132
8 Wood elf warriors with Elven Blades and throwing daggers 80

I do believe that is 700 points exactly. The only thing I can see that would be worth taking is perhaps a banner, but since it is mostly a ranged game, and the fact that when I do get into combat, it's going to be on my terms, I don't believe it to be necessary.
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 23, 2011 4:43 pm 
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1.because of the elven cloaks, your numbers are low.
2. consider using Saruman instead of Radagst (sorcerers blast at 4+ is really neat).
3. legolas can't have armor in the 'thranduil's halls' list (but if your not using LoME that doesn't matter of course)

so following this a list could be:

-legolas with elven cloak
-saruman

-3 sentinals
-14 we/ spear
-14 we/ bow
-9 we/ spear+ throwing dagger
-4 we/ elven blade+ trowing dagger

hope it helps :) 8)

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 23, 2011 6:10 pm 
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Sentinels are warriors with a bow, so have to be included in the bow count, so you're both over. You may not be using LoME, but respecting the bow limit is strongly advised if you want to keep your friends :)
Agree about the elf cloaks on the warriors, not useful at all compared to what you're losing. Also 3 Sentinels + Saruman...you need to choose. You don't need the Sentinels if you take Saruman, you need more numbers. If you don't take Saruman, you could take Thranduil, or ally in Galadriel, as these heroes have powers that make Sentinels shine (lowering the enemy's courage), and that still lets you get more numbers in. Basically, if possible you want to get close to 50 models, because your opponent, especially if he fields orcs or goblins or raw Harad, is going to easily hit 70+.
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 23, 2011 6:56 pm 
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Thranduil, Saruman, one Sentinel and the rest as warriors would be a valid and good list. I did this for the Games Day 2008 in Baltimore and had a Major Victory on all but one game (which was a Minor Victory). Locally I have had great success with Thranduil, Galadriel (combat version) and one (occasionally two) Sentinels at that size. In each case, max out the bow on normal warriors (remember to count the Sentinels but not Heroes), about ½ to 2/3 of the rest of the force with Spears and the remainder with Blades and Daggers (adjust numbers as needed for points and maximum model count). If you face heavily armored foes like Uruk Hai and Morannon you will want a few extra Blades. If you face medium armored foes (Harad, Moria, Orcs, etc.) you can lean more to Spears.

Galadriel in her combat form reduces the courage of enemy models around her. This plays in perfectly with Thranduil’s special rule as well as the Sentinel’s favorite song. It also helps to watch your enemy force fall apart much faster when they have to start making Courage Tests after breaking and do those at a penalty. She is also a fantastic combat leader, able to take on pretty much any enemy Hero or a Troll singlehandedly (though I usually save such challenges for fun games or near the end of the game and ensure she’s well supported otherwise).

Thranduil is a very good combat leader and a great point bargain. His shoot value is as close to an automatic hit as you can get, though he doesn’t have the special rules of his son. I like to swap these two out now and then so I don’t get dependent on one or the other and my opponents can’t be sure who they may face.

You really want numbers because you’re going to need to (1) have as many shots as possible, (2) have as many warriors ganging up on enemy models as possible each combat and (3) have room to absorb losses as you’re out there at Defense 3 and you will lose models if you lose the Fight roll.

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