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 Post subject: Moulding and casting conversion parts.
PostPosted: Mon Jan 06, 2014 3:14 pm 
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Say I sculpted my own version of for example a crude Orc sword with a hand attached for purposes of converting miniatures, what methods exist for making a cast and subsequent moulds of this?

I for example want to convert some Uruk Scouts into Mordor Uruks. I sculpt myself an orc sword and hand to transplant onto the weapon hands of the Scout models, what equipment and materials would you need to do this?
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 06, 2014 3:21 pm 
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instant mould (ebay) for casting the mould and then green-stuff/milliput for replicating the piece 8) I'd quite like to see how it turns out if you have sculpted a hand and weapon already, I wish I could design my own weapons!
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got a link to the mould things on ebay, please?
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 06, 2014 3:29 pm 
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indeed:

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/281150995004? ... 1423.l2649
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 06, 2014 3:31 pm 
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MoriaMadness wrote:
instant mould (ebay) for casting the mould and then green-stuff/milliput for replicating the piece 8) I'd quite like to see how it turns out if you have sculpted a hand and weapon already, I wish I could design my own weapons!


Sculpting a full model is impossible for me at the moment but sculpting a hand from bits of sprue/scrap metal bits/green stuff is probably quite doable so I was going to try it out.
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so would i have to take a mould of both sides then? Im new to moulds so thanks in advance...
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I assume you'd have to put a lump of green stuff in it....and use gravity/force to push the 2 sides together and then take it out, and carve off the bad stuff?
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guess so just in need of tips then gunna order some, cant wait to see your weapons...
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In my experience, instantmold isn't very good for two part molds. I think I'd be more inclined to use a proper casting latex for the mold, and make the pieces in resin.

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how would the instant mould work then because it would have one flat side to it so for a weapon it wouldnt work
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You can wrap the mould around a 3d object and press hard so that it is totally concealed and then leave it to set. Once set, cut the object out with a craft knife and you have a 2-part mould. Admittedly 1 sided objects like casualties are alot easier to do and make for good practice
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You can just wrap the IM around and slice it open to get at it once its set - cut it vertically and you will still have it all in one remouldable piece.

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If you do become confident enough to cast your own minis, try this guide to home casting: http://www.one-ring.co.uk/kb.php?a=149

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 07, 2014 3:46 am 
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Instead of Instant Mold I would suggest using polymorph. It is effectively the same material in a raw form and without any brand name attached to it.
Oh, I forgot. It is much much cheaper. Example:
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/500g-17-6oz-F ... 27c279e9ea
On the other hand, press-molding methods aren't good enough for copying and reproducing crisp details. You should consider delving into resin casting with 2-part silicon rubber molds. The above link is a good place to start. Also there are many videos in the youtube that could help you...


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army-of-the-dom wrote:
how would the instant mould work then because it would have one flat side to it so for a weapon it wouldnt work


I didn't recommend it! Personally, I find it useful for casting shields, faces, other things you can make a "press" mold with. Pressing the two parts together around a piece of greenstuff doesn't give very good results, but I suppose that does depend on how exacting your standards are.
If wanting to cast something 3D, as per my earlier post and a few other people's advice, the best idea is to use a proper silicone 2 part mold.

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army-of-the-dom wrote:
how would the instant mould work then because it would have one flat side to it so for a weapon it wouldnt work


I didn't recommend it! Personally, I find it useful for casting shields, faces, other things you can make a "press" mold with. Pressing the two parts together around a piece of greenstuff doesn't give very good results, but I suppose that does depend on how exacting your standards are.
If wanting to cast something 3D, as per my earlier post and a few other people's advice, the best idea is to use a proper silicone 2 part mold.


Sorry, I am a bit late.
The best way is a silicone mold. 2 part would be best.
However because of the expense I do not make silicone molds unless I need a hundred or more parts cast.
I am going to recommend the instant mold.
Here is a U tube clip from my friend Travis at Cool Min or not.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ub70AU5RfmI

The trick to make a press mold with two sides is a clamp. Take two small blocks of hardboard or MDFB and a pair of vice grips. Fold the instant mold a round the part and quickly clamp it. You have to be fast. But that is the best way to make a few small parts. The mold will look like a book. If it is not flexible enough cut it into two parts. Place the green stuff into the press mold and clamp it. Wait for the ribbon epoxy to set. Then trim the flash.

I have a Smooth On retailer near by so I most often use Mold Star 15 Slow silicon rubber. I do not have a vacuum chamber so I use the slow so more air bubbles can escape as it cures. It is 1a/1b by volume so I don't have to use my scale. I have used some of the clear products but they really need a vacuum chamber. So I will wait till I build one before I use them again.

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ok thanks for tips and video, will have a little mess when i come to needing mumak parts like tusks... and thanks for video, do you think thank the blue strips will be ok for this?
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 07, 2014 8:25 pm 
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Be easier surely to just make tusks from putty. All you need do is roll out a long sausage applying more pressure at one end to make it thinner into a point. Then just bend it to the correct curvature and allow to set

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 07, 2014 8:30 pm 
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ukfreddybear wrote:
Be easier surely to just make tusks from putty. All you need do is roll out a long sausage applying more pressure at one end to make it thinner into a point. Then just bend it to the correct curvature and allow to set

i tried, and this will sound dumb... but it went floppy and if i left it on a hard surface once cured it went flat on one side? I really am no pro at this in any way shape or form
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The trick is to use a hard putty such as milliputt. That way you can file it off a bit to get rid of the flatter side.

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