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 Post subject: Sprayable Matt Varnish?
PostPosted: Wed Aug 15, 2012 7:02 pm 
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Now that I'm painting to a decent standard, I'd like to Varnish my miniatures (with the added bonus of sealing the static grass on the bases!)

DMS recommended Vallejo for a paint on one (which I'm grateful for) but I was wanting to get a spray on one for ease of use and overall even coat.

What do people use? Can you make any recommendations?

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 15, 2012 7:49 pm 
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Talking from my own personal experience only , I have never found a spray matt varnish that i was happy with the results. Often end up with white chalky appearence. Will be interested in what you guys suggest here :)

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Yeah? Well I'm not one to shun good advice so I'll keep that in mind! Might end up going for a paint on one instead...

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Since I'm not a gamer I forego the varnish completely. Any time I've used it in the past it always has a gloss effect (I've only used paint on GW varnish, Testers matte varnish, and GW spray varnish) . . . So in wise words onces spoken, "I don't always use varnish, but when I do I use a very thin coat of paint on varnish."
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 15, 2012 10:49 pm 
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Back when it was easier to find I was a big fan of Testors Dull Coat (still am!), but it was applied with a brush. It would go dull even over the most uber glossy coat of GW gloss in minutes. Awesome stuff.

Now I use Krilon Matte Varnish spray. Its nice and never gave me any problems, really. Plus, its cheap and I can get it at any DYI store around here, next to the automotive spray paints.

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 16, 2012 10:56 am 
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Here in Australia
i use Westart Picture Varnish Matt- made in Oz by a company in Western australia
better than GW, but still important to shake well and not use when conditions damp or humid to avoid the white spotting/cracking, has happened to me :x
unsure if available o/seas but works well on both oils and acrylic paints, comes in white/tan aerosol tin 400g net
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 16, 2012 12:04 pm 
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Fanatic army painter matt spray is good but very weather dependent. In winter you spray on the patio and quickly throw them inside to stop frosting/dusting effects... in summer you do exactly the same because last time water n cold were doing it in, this time sunlight etc does it in.

Also never spray the first spray of the day on the models.
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I've had too many models ruined by spray on varnish. I too use the brush on Vallejo. It doesn't take much time to apply a coat with a medium sized brush. Plus if you want to leave metallics areas shiny you have the option to not apply it wherever it isn't required.

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 16, 2012 2:12 pm 
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ukfreddybear wrote:
I've had too many models ruined by spray on varnish. I too use the brush on Vallejo. It doesn't take much time to apply a coat with a medium sized brush. Plus if you want to leave metallics areas shiny you have the option to not apply it wherever it isn't required.


You can do that too with spray. Just use some masking tape, masking fluid or just blutac to cover those areas. Just takes a couple more minutes to do.

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MacGothmog wrote:
Just use some masking tape, masking fluid or just blutac to cover those areas. Just takes a couple more minutes to do.

I reckon I could brush on varnish a mini in less than 30 secs. Sounds like a lot more work to me, plus I would be worried about the tape/bluetac pulling the paint off the mini.

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ukfreddybear wrote:
MacGothmog wrote:
Just use some masking tape, masking fluid or just blutac to cover those areas. Just takes a couple more minutes to do.

I reckon I could brush on varnish a mini in less than 30 secs. Sounds like a lot more work to me, plus I would be worried about the tape/bluetac pulling the paint off the mini.


Precisely what I was thinking.

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Stick blu tac to a painted mini ? :o

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I find that the rush on stuff kills my brain cells too quickly, which I can't afford to do at my tender old age anymore :) So, I hold my breath and spray outside! My absolute favourite spray-on matte top coat is Kryon's matte finish spray. For me the stuff works better than dullcote from Testors ever did. The problem with matte varnish/coats though is that they do not actually protect the figure. For that, you first need to put on a coat of one of the glossier ones. Here's the procedure I use:

[*]Spray satin or glossy protective top coat on first, apply thin layers; one layer is usually fine, but if you add more, wait until the first layer is very dry, i.e. a few hours in the hot sun or longer in the garage.
[*]My favourite for the protective top coat is varathane satin spray top coat. I once left miniature outside all night in the rain after spraying them with this stuff, and although the basing material have washed away, the figures - and even their paper banners!!!! - were in perfect condition!
[*]Let the figures dry for 24 hours after the protective coat goes on. Spraying the matte too early will mix the two and you won't get a matte finish ever. Also, if you left your figs out in the rain, wait an additional 24 hours to let them dry again ;)
[*]Spray a light coat of Krylon matte finish on all sides of the figure. Wait for it to dry, which shouldn't take long since it was a light coat.
[*]If it's a little glossy still, do one more light coat. After that, another coat will start to mute the colours and make the figure look dusty.

That's it! Hope that helps :)
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 Post subject: Re: Sprayable Matt Varnish?
PostPosted: Wed Aug 22, 2012 12:36 am 
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ukfreddybear wrote:I've had too many models ruined by spray on varnish.

Same here :!:
It does not matter which brand. Humidity causes flat spray to turn chalky some times.

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