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 Post subject: Painting articles in AO on the GW site
PostPosted: Sat Mar 24, 2012 7:04 am 
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So, there they are, let's have a look.
basepaints: a gorup of paints used for the basecoat(duh)
Shade:inks, much new ones, for example 3 collors of green
Layer:I think the first highlight paint or paint you need to layer(could anyone explain me that one)
dry:no idea what kind of paint it is
glaze: hmmm, kinda like varnish, am I right?
texture: painting of the base
And that's it, maybe someone could tell what th dry, layer and glaze paints are, and am I right with the other explanations?

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 24, 2012 8:04 am 
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The description on the games workshop website explains what all the different new paints are for, just head over there and read. But to answer your questions, dry is for drybrushing. Glazes are not varnishes, they are for, well, glazing :wink:
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 24, 2012 8:10 am 
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I was hoping for different coloured metallic paints. (red, blue, green etc.)
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 24, 2012 10:35 am 
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imrail wrote:
I was hoping for different coloured metallic paints. (red, blue, green etc.)


Do you need them?- the glazes and shades over the new silvers will give coloured tints.
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 24, 2012 11:07 am 
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I hope when they say new they mean addition to and not a replacement for the older paint ranges. Edit: nope they replace, thank you video for answering my question.

Just out of curiosity, what other non-GW paint ranges that are out there that can be used for miniature painting and does the job just as well for maybe cheaper? I'm sure others have mentioned them before, but I don't want to go snooping around for old topics.

With this new paint range, it seems like they're directing your hand for a systematic way of painting. I'm not sure if this is a good thing or a bad thing. It probably makes things more convenient though. When I wanted to "glaze" paint something I usually mixed varnish with a colour paint, now they have pre-made pots out for you to purchase, not sure what the mixture involves. And now we have specialised dry-brushing paint and highlighting paint, like we couldn't do that before with our previous paints... hmm. It looks to me these paints just saves you that extra step of mixing other paints together, but you end up spending more for that convenience. Anybody else wants to weigh in on this? Are these new paints a good thing or necessary?

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 24, 2012 11:27 am 
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We already knew they were replacing not adding Mr Sacrilge.

I much prefer the old paints. If you wanted bestial brown to be the top layer of a dark brown area or the bottom coat of a light brown area you could, know they want you to buy 3 or 4 different versions of the same colour for using at different stages. It's to make more money, and I do not like it.

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 24, 2012 11:37 am 
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Thank you Gothmog, but it was for my own knowledge I was asking, not for you, so I'm glad you already knew about it. :)

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 24, 2012 11:45 am 
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GothmogtheWerewolf wrote:
I much prefer the old paints. If you wanted bestial brown to be the top layer of a dark brown area or the bottom coat of a light brown area you could, know they want you to buy 3 or 4 different versions of the same colour for using at different stages. It's to make more money, and I do not like it.

^That was pretty much what I was thinking. The whole point of mixing is to save you $$$ on buying different shades of the same colour.

We've pretty much established countless of times on these forums that GW is a business strictly looking for ways to make $$$. When the guy in the video stated that they've had their paint range for 30 years, they were looking to improve upon it (i.e. look to see if they can make more money on it.) If you have something that was good for 3 decades and no one that I know of were complaining about it, why fix something that is not broken? Anyway at least it looks like the price of the single pots are about the same.

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 24, 2012 11:49 am 
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Sacrilege83 wrote:
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If you have something that was good for 3 decades and no one that I know of were complaining about it, why fix something that is not broken?


Good question, its probably for one of the same reasons as the switch the metal.

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Well at least with the metal switch they had excuses being: the increasing price of the raw material, and most hobbyist prefer working with plastic than metal. Too bad their replacement was a sham though, but that's another topic already beaten dead by us.

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The excuse for the new paints is: "we haven't been able to scam enough people with our paints yet, we must find a way"

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GothmogtheWerewolf wrote:
The excuse for the new paints is: "we haven't been able to scam enough people with our paints yet, we must find a way"

i agree, but they are not actually more expensive except the various types for differnet stages unless ive missed something and you could still just use foundation paints with the same techniques they used with the old ones to do the various jobs, and they have re mixed some of them as they say. i think its more likely they thought: we want to bring out some new paints, the old ones are a bit tired, lets rebrand them and include some extra ones so it looks like we are bringing out a completly new range and then people might buy ones they have already. but i can't say ill be buying any unless i start a new army or run out of my old paints as there is no point

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GothmogtheWerewolf wrote:
The excuse for the new paints is: "we haven't been able to scam enough people with our paints yet, we must find a way"

^That just might be the case.

It seems like anything new GW comes up with, I have a cynical point of view towards it. I don't like to, but it's the reality of the situation. My only complaints with the old paint range were that I found the metal paints and flesh paints to dry up quicker than the regular colour paints. I don't know if that is just me being delusional or others have noticed the same as well. As far as I can tell I had pots of paint such as my Regal Blue & Chaos Black last 2x longer than my Elf Flesh & Mithril Silver.

To me an improvement in the paint area would be to make the paints have a longer lasting life span. Would GW invest time and research on this? Not sure that they would and I have such a cynical view point that I'm sure they would rather much figure out a way to shorten the life span. Anyway on average, and depending on the colour, a pot of paint will last me over a year before it becomes too viscous and sludgy to use unless on the rare occassion I run the paint out of use. I guess for near $5 a year and a half quality life span isn't so bad, so I hope the new range stays the same in quality if not improved.

The last thing I find funny are the name changes. Just when I thought the names of the paints couldn't get more nerdy. Now when I show up to work to hobby paint on breaks, a new step has been added for my colleagues: confusion and then they will chuckle. Before it was just chuckle. So I'll be sitting there painting, a colleague comes and randomly picks up a pot of paint out of curiosity and reads it. What used to be known as 'Shadow Grey' would have just garnered a laugh, now it will become, "The Fang! WTF!?" confused expression he opens up the paint, "Oh it's grey, hardy har har..." and throws it back on the table. I could just see it now :lol:

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Sacrilege83 wrote:
Just out of curiosity, what other non-GW paint ranges that are out there that can be used for miniature painting and does the job just as well for maybe cheaper? I'm sure others have mentioned them before, but I don't want to go snooping around for old topics.



I switched to using vallejo paints last year. The game colour range is pretty much a corresponding match to the now old gw range even down to having foundation paints and washes. The model colours are a little more expensive and come in a huge variety of colours. For metallics I've not found anything better than the model airs. The downside to vallejo paints are that they do have a tendency to separate and require a lot of shaking before use. Because of this I stopped buying them from a local hobby store where the paints could be sitting on the shelf for a long time and instead I source them from online retailers.

More recently I bought a lot of p3 paints. These I think use a liquid medium and so are less likely to separate and are heavily pigmented without the thickness of foundation paints. Two slightly thinned coats will give a beautiful smooth finish.

There are also loads more acrylic paints out there such as reaper, foundry, andrea and army painter. I would suggest you look at what your local suppliers offer and test a few bottles. And it goes without saying that pretty much all are cheaper on a per ml basis than gw paints.

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To be a dissenting voice: :)

For painters like me, I think this new range is going to be helpful. I'm not an artist, I'm a mechanic. What I want is armies that look good on the table. I'm not going to win any awards, waste time on eyes, make dioramas, etc. Painting is not really my favourite part of the hobby, it's the game itself. But the game itself suffers hugely with unpainted minis, so I resign myself to long hours of chore to achieve that. That's time I'd much rather spend doing many many other things. I *only* paint because I love playing.

I'm not very good at selecting good "dark to light" colour sequences myself. Over the years I've stuck with colour sequences outlined in other people's painting guides and the sourcebooks. But the most useful thing GW produced for me was when they introduced the Foundation paints and new washes with a handy shading chart of which paints layered together well. I've been following that almost religiously. If I had to go to another paint line, like Vallejo, I'd be lost.

If GW saves me time making my games look good, then sign me up.

Real artists aren't going to need this, but I suspect the vast majority of gamers-who-paint are not artists, but more like myself...or even less like myself in that they don't bother to paint at all. So GW could have been motivated by profit, but also motivated to provide us "gamers-who-paint" a satisfying way of putting all-painted armies on the board.
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Thank you MMS for the reply. I would hate to break away from the GW pallettes, but I have to look at other alternatives just incase, especially concerning price increases.

No doubt they've created an easier 1-2-3 system to help those who are not familiar with a brush. I think their most helpful thing will be their guide along with the DVD it comes with, it will become useful. And for $60 it better tell you all the tricks of the trade to make you a better painter.

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I'm happy with the new paints, as they help me with my current armies, and spending some more money isn't the problem for me.

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@whafrog, I would agree ity makes sense, but I would still rather use the same 2 or 3 paints for different purposes rather than having 8 or 9 for more uses, unless the cost went down, which is to say if pigs flew (with wings sprouting out their backs).

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I'm happy with the new paints, as they help me with my current armies, and spending some more money isn't the problem for me.


The new paints aren't any more expensive then the old ones, strangely.

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Telchar wrote:
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I'm happy with the new paints, as they help me with my current armies, and spending some more money isn't the problem for me.


The new paints aren't any more expensive then the old ones, strangely.

I meant people were discussing why they brought new collours if we all before were mixing to save money, and I meant I personally would pay some more for optimal collours

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