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The Hobbit & Sourcebook SBG FAQs April 2013
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Author:  theavenger001 [ Tue Apr 23, 2013 1:50 pm ]
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From LotrChampion on TLA.

http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/content/article.jsp?catId=&categoryId=1000018&section=&pIndex=3&aId=3000006&start=4&multiPageMode=true

Some highlights: hunter orcs are f3 s4, cavalry knocked prone have their riders immmediately thrown, evil spearmen are still legal targets for good bowmen (assumming line of sight), no shooting and supporting in the same turn, and you cannot use special strikes while supporting with goblin town goblins.

*edit* Shades and spectres can use their blades and special strikes, but warriors of the dead can't?! #evilconspiracy

*edit 2* Mardin has a spear. :D
Author:  KnightyKnight [ Tue Apr 23, 2013 2:11 pm ]
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Thank the great dice gods above that cavalry now have that extra reason to fear hurl. I was getting fed up of knocking down an entire line of horses only for them to jump straight back up.
Author:  Thermo [ Tue Apr 23, 2013 2:12 pm ]
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KnightyKnight wrote:
Thank the great dice gods above that cavalry now have that extra reason to fear hurl. I was getting fed up of knocking down an entire line of horses only for them to jump straight back up.


Indeedy! Makes much much more sense!
Author:  KnightyKnight [ Tue Apr 23, 2013 2:14 pm ]
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Also confirmation of a sourcebook?

Q: Is there a profile for Yazneg? (p185)
A: Not at present, though we will rectify this in an
upcoming publication. For now, treat him as a Hunter
Orc Captain from the Azogʼs Hunters army list with the
option to have a lance for +5 points.

Excellent!
Author:  lordgoober [ Tue Apr 23, 2013 4:02 pm ]
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Gotta love the "consistency" between different faqs. Spectres and the Army of the Dead types both strike against Courage when they hit right? Well, Spectres get to use Special strikes but Army/King of the Dead don't.

That being said, all the ranger type heroes from Kingdoms of men (Faramir, Damrod and Madril) now get Woodland Creature so they can now keep up with their upgraded boys.
Author:  Dr Grant [ Tue Apr 23, 2013 5:00 pm ]
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Very good FAQ IMO, particularly glad to see:

All cavalry knocked prone have their riders thrown (as most sensibly thought they should be)

Goblin Scribe reinforcements sorted for Reconnoitre (as it was at TOS)

A firm answer to that heated 'evil model shooting past friend into combat not needing an in the way roll' thread from a while back.

Firm updated rules on supporting models rules for shooting, being targeted, having control zones and heroic combats (clue, they're not part of the combat)

Models with two handed weapons definitely have hand weapons as well (as commonly agreed) but they can't make special strikes if you can't see the weapon. I like this a lot, Beserkers will no longer be carrying axes up their...

A firm answer on how to calculate bow limits with the factions that have different limits or ignore it entirely.

And finally as Knighty mentioned the rather un-GW confirmation of a sourcebook.

The only thing I'm disappointed by is that Great Eagles take another hit compared to Fell Beasts by only adding 3" to an At the Double move. I cannot for the life of me understand why they don't get knockdown bonuses, ah well, don't want to grumble.

Perhaps most positively, reading this FAQ was like being given solid answers to all the questions debated on this forum over the last 4 months. It really is good to know that the guys at HQ are listening/reading all the emails/letters or scanning the forums and answering the questions that the community need clarification on.

On this one I say bravo GW.
Author:  SouthernDunedain [ Tue Apr 23, 2013 5:05 pm ]
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theavenger001 wrote:
hunter orcs are f3 s4


They have been F3 Str4 from the beginning. Only reason they FAQ'd it was because an example profile put them the other way round. (F4, Str3)

I'm liking the Yazneg temporary rule, might go out and buy him now I can use him to his fullest.

Faramir and his band of brothers getting woodland creature 8) :D

As Dr G said, lots of common sense stuff that really should have been included in the book.
Author:  theavenger001 [ Tue Apr 23, 2013 5:22 pm ]
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SouthernDunedain wrote:
theavenger001 wrote:
hunter orcs are f3 s4


They have been F3 Str4 from the beginning. Only reason they FAQ'd it was because an example profile put them the other way round. (F4, Str3)

Yeah, I realise that, but they had to confirm it for a reason! (I guess some people weren't sure which entry to trust... :roll: )
Author:  Damian [ Tue Apr 23, 2013 5:26 pm ]
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Quote:
they can't make special strikes if you can't see the weapon. I like this a lot, Beserkers will no longer be carrying axes up their...


.....or any other model whos hand weapon you can't see (Goblin and Rohan archers, for example).
Author:  Draugluin [ Tue Apr 23, 2013 5:43 pm ]
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Azog also doesn't wound heros on a 2+. sad face. He does still get to use his 2handed weapon on his White Warg.
Author:  Armandhammer [ Tue Apr 23, 2013 7:48 pm ]
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Dr Grant wrote:
Models with two handed weapons definitely have hand weapons as well (as commonly agreed) but they can't make special strikes if you can't see the weapon. I like this a lot, Beserkers will no longer be carrying axes up their...


I’m confused with this notion.

So, according to this FAQ, my berserkers are armed with a two handed weapon and a hand weapon. Because there is no visible hand weapon on my shirtless macho machines it can’t use any special strikes. That part I get.

BUT...

1) My berserkers have the option of fighting with a two-handed weapon (-1 to win/+1 to wound) or a single-handed weapon (no penalties or bonuses) in the fight phase?

2) Doesn’t that take away the elven blade advantage: having the option to use it as a single-handed weapon or a two-handed weapon?

:?
Author:  whafrog [ Tue Apr 23, 2013 8:31 pm ]
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Yeah, the elf blade has been nerfed for a long time, since the OR book at least, and the net effect is the same as a berzerker.

But now you can feint (yawn), and if you tie, you get a 1-4 chance of winning (yawn). So the amazing elf blade remains the most boring piece of special equipment in the game.
Author:  Draugluin [ Tue Apr 23, 2013 8:34 pm ]
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It also lets you use a bow, which is something that you can't do with 2handed weapons.
Author:  Armandhammer [ Tue Apr 23, 2013 8:59 pm ]
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whafrog wrote:
Yeah, the elf blade has been nerfed for a long time, since the OR book at least, and the net effect is the same as a berzerker.

But now you can feint (yawn), and if you tie, you get a 1-4 chance of winning (yawn). So the amazing elf blade remains the most boring piece of special equipment in the game.


Goodness, there goes the whole “make sure a normal warrior joins a fight with a berserker to help him win the duel because if the berserker fights alone he’s at a disadvantage” type of mindset!

As an Isengard player I should be ecstatic but it just doesn't feel right at all. Mainly because my opponent often plays elves. Boy, do I have some bad news to give him.
Author:  whafrog [ Wed Apr 24, 2013 12:12 am ]
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Draugluin wrote:
It also lets you use a bow, which is something that you can't do with 2handed weapons.


True, but I don't think that's a very common use, blades being rarely used anyway.
Author:  Draugluin [ Wed Apr 24, 2013 12:55 am ]
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You use them as often as you would a 2HW, but you have the added flexibility to use a bow as well.
Author:  SuicidalMarsbar [ Wed Apr 24, 2013 8:19 am ]
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The FAQ doesn't mention Thror having a shield though, how ridiculous is that?!?
Author:  Hashut's Blessing [ Wed Apr 24, 2013 4:43 pm ]
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Nor the option for one. Not even the ability to shield...
Author:  River Zora [ Wed Apr 24, 2013 11:16 pm ]
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Loving the Hunter Orc bow limit clarification.
Author:  BrentS [ Sat Apr 27, 2013 6:06 pm ]
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SuicidalMarsbar wrote:
The FAQ doesn't mention Thror having a shield though, how ridiculous is that?!?


Nor Thrain having a 2-Handed Hammer (not Axe).
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