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Author:  SuicidalMarsbar [ Tue Dec 25, 2012 11:58 am ]
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So, after seeing the film in both 2d at 24fps, and 3d in 48 fps (2d in 24fps is much much better btw) i'm pretty stoked for the next two. This thread, as you can guess, is where we can post all the predictions we have for how upcoming characters will be represented by both PJ and GW. What i am really hoping for is for Dain and Thorin to both get their kills on Bolg or Azog, i really liked how Dain came across as this goblin killing machine in the books, but i also REALLY like the sense of Throin having an arch nemesis in Azog, so Beorn can step aside imo and let the dwarves avenge their kings. I also loved how PJ made Thranduil come across as a really unlikeable character, so im hoping he will continue that and (hopefully) make it so Bilbo will not spend the entire battle with Thranduil/knocked out.

Also, i know Glorfindel should have been in lotr, but i would love to see him in a flashback owning the witch king because let's face it, Glorf is the most bad-ass character in middle earth. When Elrond was talking about how Orcist and Glamdring were built by the great elves of old, well Glorf is those elves, and needs to be immortalized on film.

Anyway, onto what i am expecting in terms of profiles:

Dain: Identical to our current Dain but with 1 less defence, 1 more fight value, and no more 'venerable' rule.

Thranduil: Well, as we saw in Radagast, the good side are getting some funky mounts in the hobbit sbg, hopefully his elk will be a total tank.

What are your guys predictions, also, merry chrimbo!
Author:  Pindergorn [ Tue Dec 25, 2012 1:38 pm ]
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Thranduil has an elk? :shock:
Author:  Curufinwë [ Tue Dec 25, 2012 5:01 pm ]
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SuicidalMarsbar wrote:
... I also loved how PJ made Thranduil come across as a really unlikeable character...


Actually that bugged me a bit as I never pictured him as evil as the film adaptations seem to portray.

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I'm not sure what Thorin wanted him to do about Smaug invading Erebor. If I was in his position (as they show in the movie mind you) I wouldn't throw my men's lives away on an entrenched dragon inside those confines either. Any known path would have the men charging straight into the dragons gullet and fire, thus it would have been suicide. By the time the Elves seemed to have arrived the hold had pretty much fallen with the people fleeing.

As for him in the book I see nothing wrong with what he did to Thorin and Company. They come into his wood uninvited and unannounced at a time when the enemy is everywhere, not to mention that he has had bad dealings with Dwarfs and doesn't know if they are friend or foe. And then out of stubbornness they refuse to tell him why they're there. Keep in mind they didn't come by the road but out of the forest. I bet things would have been different if they had come across his front door by the road. The other thing is, in the book Thranduil never asked for compensation for himself, he is only there to lend support to the decedents of Dale and the refugees of Esergoth who killed the dragon and had their home crush beneath it, to make sure they get their rightful due and can survive the Winter. He never gets anything from Thorin and Company but what Bilbo gives him and that was Bilbo paying for the food he stole from Thranduil's Larder. In fact the Arkenstone is returned and entombed with Thorin.


I'm wondering if the wood elves profiles will be Galadhrim without shields and the choice of wood elf spears in their place. So I'm thinking Armor for a +1 to defense, the choice of Wood Elf Spear, Elven Blade, or Bow; Elven cloaks, and banner. Maybe Throwing Weapons.
Author:  Amarthadan [ Tue Dec 25, 2012 5:27 pm ]
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King Ondoher wrote:
Thranduil has an elk? :shock:

Spoiler alert. :P
Author:  SuicidalMarsbar [ Tue Dec 25, 2012 5:46 pm ]
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@King Ondoher Sorry for the spoiler! I've changed the title to include a warning now!

@Curufinwë Your points are all valid but why did he even have his army if he didn't want to help? Also my real motivation for not liking Thranduil is that A: he is hoity toity elf scum, and B:He (and elves in general) were very overpowered in the battle for middle earth games so i hold a little resentment for him beating me so often!
Author:  Stormcrow [ Tue Dec 25, 2012 5:54 pm ]
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SPOILER ALERT!
Just my thoughts on Thranduil.
I dont think he is ment to be unlikeable, he is just a king wanting to do the best for his people. He rode out with an army but relised the battle could not be won so why waste the immortal lives of his kin?
And how can you not like someone who rides an elk, and wears an antler horn crown thingy, thats just super bad ass!!

Just my thoughts.
Author:  Pindergorn [ Tue Dec 25, 2012 9:10 pm ]
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SuicidalMarsbar wrote:
@King Ondoher Sorry for the spoiler! I've changed the title to include a warning now!


Oh, don't worry about it. I've seen the film, just didn't notice Thranduil rides an elk. I find the idea a little odd, and rather reminiscent of Warhammer Fantasy Wood Elves...

Its a good thing that you added the warning though as it is a spoiler.

Stormcrow wrote:
And how can you not like someone who rides an elk, and wears an antler horn crown thingy, thats just super bad ass!!f


Because its exactly like Warhammer Fantasy, thats why.
Author:  Raspberrygoop [ Wed Dec 26, 2012 6:52 am ]
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Thranduil's actor Lee Pace said that he had to film some stunts. I'm hoping that Legolas and his daddy will both get some fight scenes during the Battle of Five Armies. (Think Legolas vs Mumak, but with two badass elves.)
Author:  TheOakenshield [ Wed Dec 26, 2012 8:05 am ]
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King Ondoher wrote:
SuicidalMarsbar wrote:
@King Ondoher Sorry for the spoiler! I've changed the title to include a warning now!


Oh, don't worry about it. I've seen the film, just didn't notice Thranduil rides an elk. I find the idea a little odd, and rather reminiscent of Warhammer Fantasy Wood Elves...

Its a good thing that you added the warning though as it is a spoiler.

Stormcrow wrote:
And how can you not like someone who rides an elk, and wears an antler horn crown thingy, thats just super bad ass!!f


Because its exactly like Warhammer Fantasy, thats why.


The similarities to WHF don't end there

Spoler alert:

Billy Connely mentioned having a mohawk, tattoos and riding a boar into battle as king Dain Ironfoot in the 3rd film...and that brings slayer dwarfs to mind.
Author:  Telchar [ Wed Dec 26, 2012 8:30 am ]
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TheOakenshield wrote:
Spoler alert:

Billy Connely mentioned having a mohawk, tattoos and riding a boar into battle as king Dain Ironfoot in the 3rd film...and that brings slayer dwarfs to mind.


Please, please NOOOOOOO! I thought we'd seen the last of Dwarf Boar Riders when that list of miniatures turned out to be fake, please don't they'll get into the movie.
Author:  Harfoot [ Wed Dec 26, 2012 9:11 am ]
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Was the list false?
Author:  The Horde Lord [ Wed Dec 26, 2012 12:08 pm ]
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I am (barely) fine with the Elk for Tranduil, but if I see boar or elk cavalry, I am gonna sue PJ for sure.
Author:  ThisIsErebor [ Wed Dec 26, 2012 2:10 pm ]
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Telchar wrote:
TheOakenshield wrote:
Spoler alert:

Billy Connely mentioned having a mohawk, tattoos and riding a boar into battle as king Dain Ironfoot in the 3rd film...and that brings slayer dwarfs to mind.


Please, please NOOOOOOO! I thought we'd seen the last of Dwarf Boar Riders when that list of miniatures turned out to be fake, please don't they'll get into the movie.

Well, in one of the production videos, they show what appears to be a giant animatronic, rideable boar, so I wouldn't get too hopeful :rofl:
Author:  Sticky Fingersss [ Wed Dec 26, 2012 2:41 pm ]
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Quote:
Because its exactly like Warhammer Fantasy, thats why.


That argument makes no sense, PJ had no influence from Warhammer Fantasy whatsoever, if anything Warhammer Fantasy is influenced by Tolkien (as most modern fantasies are)
Author:  Lord Hurin [ Wed Dec 26, 2012 3:20 pm ]
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Curufinwë wrote:
Actually that bugged me a bit as I never pictured him as evil as the film adaptations seem to portray.

[spoiler]I'm not sure what Thorin wanted him to do about Smaug invading Erebor. If I was in his position (as they show in the movie mind you) I wouldn't throw my men's lives away on an entrenched dragon inside those confines either. Any known path would have the men charging straight into the dragons gullet and fire, thus it would have been suicide. By the time the Elves seemed to have arrived the hold had pretty much fallen with the people fleeing.


I don't think he's necessarily evil, just indifferent and (as Suicidalmarsbar said) unlikable. Of course there's nothing he could have done, but from the Dwarves' perspective, seeing him just sit there and then cooly ride away is pretty rough. Least he could have done was offer shelter while they plan where to go.

I think it did a better job of streamlining the Elf/Dwarf rift than flashbacks to Dwarves sacking Menegroth would have.
Author:  Pindergorn [ Wed Dec 26, 2012 6:26 pm ]
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Sticky Fingersss wrote:
Quote:
Because its exactly like Warhammer Fantasy, thats why.


That argument makes no sense, PJ had no influence from Warhammer Fantasy whatsoever, if anything Warhammer Fantasy is influenced by Tolkien (as most modern fantasies are)


I didn't say one was influenced by the other. I said it was exactly like WHF. WHF has Elves on stags. The Hobbit has Elves on stags.
Author:  Sticky Fingersss [ Thu Dec 27, 2012 6:02 am ]
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Quote:
I didn't say one was influenced by the other. I said it was exactly like WHF. WHF has Elves on stags. The Hobbit has Elves on stags.


Then if they are not influenced by the other, how is the fact that the Hobbit has elves on stags a negative thing?
Author:  Pindergorn [ Thu Dec 27, 2012 12:26 pm ]
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Sticky Fingersss wrote:
Quote:
I didn't say one was influenced by the other. I said it was exactly like WHF. WHF has Elves on stags. The Hobbit has Elves on stags.


Then if they are not influenced by the other, how is the fact that the Hobbit has elves on stags a negative thing?


I didn't say that either. You've completely missed my point yet again. I said nothing influence one way or the other (it goes without saying, GW takes its cue from PJ/Tolkien).

I don't much like Warhammer Fantasy's particular brand of cartoonish, over the top fantasy with monsters a dime a dozen, and any creature you can imagine being used as mounts by some other (humanoid) creature (dragons, undead dragons, Cold One dino lizards, pterodactyl like flying dinosaurs, triceratops like dinosaurs, mammoths, rhino like creatures, eagles, half-lion-half-eagle griffons, pregasus winged horses, undead scorpions/horses/horse drawn chariots,Stags, Orc Squigs, Slaanesh serpent creatures, Nurgle snails, giant spiders, giant spiders the size of a house). You name it, if it has a back something else probably rides it.

I much prefer the more nuanced, subtle and ultimately believable world presented by Tolkien. Things like stags being ridden as mounts as though they were horses bred and trained to be ridden blur the differences between Tolkien's version of fantasy and GW's version and that is something that I am uncomfortable with. Things like these stag mounts and Radagasts Rabbit drawn sled (even if they were Rhosgobel rabbits) will strech my dispension of disbelief to breaking point.
Author:  whafrog [ Thu Dec 27, 2012 1:49 pm ]
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King Ondoher wrote:
I much prefer the more nuanced, subtle and ultimately believable world presented by Tolkien. Things like stags being ridden as mounts as though they were horses bred and trained to be ridden blur the differences between Tolkien's version of fantasy and GW's version and that is something that I am uncomfortable with.


Well said :yay: I hope we are spared any further cartoonification by PJ and co...
Author:  Amarthadan [ Thu Dec 27, 2012 2:14 pm ]
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"In Sweden there was a debate in the late 18th century about the national value of using the moose as a domestic animal. Among other things, the moose was proposed to be used in postal distribution, and there was a suggestion to develop a moose-mounted cavalry."

Quoted from wikipedia. So it isn't that far-fetched.:)
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